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conor - 10 Jun 2005 19:20 GMT
Hi,

Farrell Fossils is now online at http://conorfarrell.ecrater.com/ and I
am currently selling a selection of dinosaur bones. More items will be
added in the near future!

Conor
http://conorfarrell.ecrater.com/
John Wilkins - 11 Jun 2005 07:15 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Conor
> http://conorfarrell.ecrater.com/

How many of them are black or gray market items? How much science cannot now
be done because the matrix and site information has been lost?

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deowll - 12 Jun 2005 00:35 GMT
>> Hi,
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> How many of them are black or gray market items? How much science cannot
> now be done because the matrix and site information has been lost?

And how much of it is stuff the museums don't want because they don't have
the space to store every fossil that ever formed?
John Wilkins - 12 Jun 2005 02:03 GMT
>>>Hi,
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> And how much of it is stuff the museums don't want because they don't have
> the space to store every fossil that ever formed?

It would be worth knowing, either way. There is a major problem at the moment
in improperly prepared fossil specimens being sold on the black market, at the
same time raising the cost of fossils beyond the means of museums, and making
the material less worthwhile from a scientific perspective. I saw a report, I
think by an Australian team but I can't recall for sure, in which they
suggested that almost all fossils for sale were of the black market kind. Many
had been sent out of China illegally (to avoid returning the fossils to the
Chinese scientists who might otherwise have made investigations of them, under
Chinese law). And many of them were illegally taken from national parks or
sites that were protected under national law. An example was the fossil
footprints of a dinosaur herd from northern West Australia. The smugglers
chiseled them out of the matrix, and although they were caught, the damage had
been done.

[All from memory, but it ought not be too hard to find details.]

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John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122

conor - 15 Jun 2005 21:47 GMT
> It would be worth knowing, either way. There is a major problem at the moment
> in improperly prepared fossil specimens being sold on the black market, at the
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> [All from memory, but it ought not be too hard to find details.]

I agree. I obtain fossils from my own land and reputable dealers only.
I also ensure that all fossils have been obtained from private lands.

Hope this clears things up.

Conor Farrell
John WIlkins - 16 Jun 2005 01:25 GMT
>>It would be worth knowing, either way. There is a major problem at the moment
>>in improperly prepared fossil specimens being sold on the black market, at the
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> Conor Farrell

Thanks for the clarification. Good to go, then...

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"Someone who's bright enough to find a job with no heavy lifting,"
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deowll - 16 Jun 2005 02:01 GMT
>>>>Hi,
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>
> [All from memory, but it ought not be too hard to find details.]

Considering the harsh living conditions of the Chinese farmers I can feel
sorry for them. The rest pretty much deserve what they get if they looted it
from a park. On the other hand for every fossil worth spending time on there
are countless ones that aren't complete enough or of something that is
rather common. An awful lot of good discoveries have been made in museum
basements.
 
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