I had heard that some had been found. They were expected but until they were
found live birth was at least a possiblity.
>I had heard that some had been found. They were expected but until they were
>found live birth was at least a possiblity.
Well, I found a recent National Geographic article saying that there were three known-- two from
China and one from Argentina. But I know of someone trying to sell one "not cheap" that he claims
to be one of only two know to exist and found in Kansas. It REALLY turns my stomach to see someone
trying to get rich off of something so rare and important.
(Here's the National Geographic article)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1202_041202_pterosaurs_egg.html
George - 16 Jun 2005 02:49 GMT
>>I had heard that some had been found. They were expected but until they
>>were
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> my stomach to see someone
> trying to get rich off of something so rare and important.
How much did the field museum pay for Sue? 8 million dollars? Someone
sure made a lot of money.
Ken Shaw - 16 Jun 2005 03:25 GMT
>>>I had heard that some had been found. They were expected but until they
>>>were
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> How much did the field museum pay for Sue? 8 million dollars? Someone
> sure made a lot of money.
8.4 million is what her website says.
http://www.fieldmuseum.org/sue/about_purchase.asp
Ken
Ken Shaw - 16 Jun 2005 02:54 GMT
>>I had heard that some had been found. They were expected but until they were
>>found live birth was at least a possiblity.
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>
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1202_041202_pterosaurs_egg.html
More than likely it is a fraud. If it is real it may have been legally
collected from private land and be legal for sale. Of course if it is
from Kansas it is scientifically significant just due to the locale of
origin and should be studied rather than sold to a private collector. I
recommend contacting a professional paleontologist local to the seller
who can at least get a look at it and see if it is real. Sometimes when
important fossils appear on the market museums and donors find ways to
purchase them.
Ken
Darren Garrison - 16 Jun 2005 03:26 GMT
>More than likely it is a fraud. If it is real it may have been legally
>collected from private land and be legal for sale. Of course if it is
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>important fossils appear on the market museums and donors find ways to
>purchase them.
I asked him (via e-mail, he isn't local to me) if it had been examined by a professional
paleontologist. His reply to that was only "yes it has". To my suggestion that something that rare
and valuable probably belonged in a museum, he replied that I should buy it and donate it to the
museum of my choice. (There's no way I'd have the money to do something like that). He seems to
think that it is real, though I don't know how he would have confirmed it to be something so poorly
known.
Ken Shaw - 16 Jun 2005 03:40 GMT
>>More than likely it is a fraud. If it is real it may have been legally
>>collected from private land and be legal for sale. Of course if it is
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> think that it is real, though I don't know how he would have confirmed it to be something so poorly
> known.
Would you care to point me to who is selling it? If it might be legit I
will contact the Field Museum to see if they might want it.
Ken
Darren Garrison - 16 Jun 2005 03:56 GMT
>Would you care to point me to who is selling it? If it might be legit I
>will contact the Field Museum to see if they might want it.
I feel uncomfortable to do that just yet in public, as the offer was made on a smallish subscription
mailing list (dedicated to meteorites) and I think publishing names here without the seller's
permission would be trying to turn two wrongs into a right. But if you can e-mail me directly, I
could give you the info and maybe something could be worked out. I'd REALLY like to see this (if it
is real) go into a professional institution instead of a private collection.
deowll - 17 Jun 2005 01:57 GMT
>>I had heard that some had been found. They were expected but until they
>>were
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>
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1202_041202_pterosaurs_egg.html
They may be rare but important to whom? Me and you? Yes, but Sue sort of
killed the make a big find and turn it over free idea. I've bought a few
fish fossils. They're common so I don't feel bad about it. I don't even
consider buying something I think is really rare.
Darren Garrison - 17 Jun 2005 04:09 GMT
>They may be rare but important to whom? Me and you? Yes, but Sue sort of
>killed the make a big find and turn it over free idea. I've bought a few
>fish fossils. They're common so I don't feel bad about it. I don't even
>consider buying something I think is really rare.
I'm not arguing anything against owning common fossils. I have dozens of ammonites and trilobites
around my desk right now. If I took any of them to a museum and attempted to give them away, they'd
laugh at me and pull out a drawer full of the same species in better specimens. The same thing goes
for my meteorites (though some of them are somewhat less common, but still well represented for
those who research them). But something truly rare or unique? No way do I support them going into
private collections and out of the reach of research.
deowll - 18 Jun 2005 03:27 GMT
>>They may be rare but important to whom? Me and you? Yes, but Sue sort of
>>killed the make a big find and turn it over free idea. I've bought a few
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> I support them going into
> private collections and out of the reach of research.
Then we are agreed. The rare and unique material needs to be made available
for scientific study. The common material especially in damaged form might
as well be in somebody's collection as eroding.
cfleon@hotmail.com - 11 Jul 2005 22:44 GMT
> Then we are agreed. The rare and unique material needs to be made available
> for scientific study. The common material especially in damaged form might
> as well be in somebody's collection as eroding.
But how do you judge what is "common material"? If several dozen
trilobites of a common species are found together, maybe it would be
okay to sell them off, but perhaps a scientist could find evidence of
spawning behavoir in the group. Or perhaps there would be signs of a
mass feeding that would be missed by a collector for profit. Not to
mention that the profiteers often destroy something scientifically
useful (largely from ignorance rather than delibrately, granted).