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Sight for 'Saur Eyes: T. rex vision was among nature's best

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George - 07 Jul 2006 04:27 GMT
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20060701/fob2.asp

Eric Jaffe

In the 1993 movie Jurassic Park, one human character tells another that a
Tyrannosaurus rex can't see them if they don't move, even though the beast
is right in front of them. Now, a scientist reports that T. rex had some of
the best vision in animal history. This sensory prowess strengthens
arguments for T. rex's role as predator instead of scavenger.

Scientists had some evidence from measurements of T. rex skulls that the
animal could see well. Recently, Kent A. Stevens of the University of
Oregon in Eugene went further.

He used facial models of seven types of dinosaurs to reconstruct their
binocular range, the area viewed simultaneously by both eyes. The wider an
animal's binocular range, the better its depth perception and capacity to
distinguish objects-even those that are motionless or camouflaged.

T. rex had a binocular range of 55°, which is wider than that of modern
hawks, Stevens reports in the summer Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology.
Moreover, over the millennia, T. rex evolved features that improved its
vision: Its snout grew lower and narrower, cheek grooves cleared its sight
lines, and its eyeballs enlarged.

"It was a selective advantage for this animal to see three-dimensionally
ahead of it," Stevens says.

Stevens also considered visual acuity and limiting far point-the greatest
distance at which objects remain distinct. For these vision tests, he took
the known optics of reptiles and birds, ranging from the poor-sighted
crocodile to the exceptional eagle, and adjusted them to see how they would
perform inside an eye as large as that of T. rex. "With the size of its
eyeballs, it couldn't help but have excellent vision," Stevens says.

He found that T. rex might have had visual acuity as much as 13 times that
of people. By comparison, an eagle's acuity is 3.6 times that of a person.

T. rex might also have had a limiting far point of 6 kilometers, compared
with the human far point of 1.6 km. These are best-case estimates, Stevens
says, but even toward the cautious end of the scale, T. rex still displays
better vision than what's needed for scavenging.

The vision argument takes the scavenger-versus-predator debate in a new
direction. The debate had focused on whether T. rex's legs and teeth made
it better suited for either lifestyle (SN: 3/2/02, p. 131:
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20020302/fob1.asp).

Stevens notes that visual ranges in hunting birds and snapping turtles
typically are 20° wider than those in grain-eating birds and herbivorous
turtles.

In modern animals, predators have better binocular vision than scavengers
do, agrees Thomas R. Holtz Jr. of the University of Maryland at College
Park. Binocular vision "almost certainly was a predatory adaptation," he
says.

But a scavenging T. rex could have inherited its vision from predatory
ancestors, says Jack Horner, curator of paleontology at the Museum of the
Rockies in Bozeman, Mont. "It isn't a characteristic that was likely to
hinder the scavenging abilities of T. rex and therefore wasn't selected out
of the population," Horner says.

Stevens says the unconvincing scene in Jurassic Park inspired him to
examine T. rex's vision because, with its "very sophisticated visual
apparatus," the dinosaur couldn't possibly miss people so close by. Sight
aside, says Stevens, "if you're sweating in fear 1 inch from the nostrils
of the T. rex, it would figure out you were there anyway."
Marco Pagliero - 26 Jul 2006 12:59 GMT
> In the 1993 movie Jurassic Park, one human character tells another that a
> Tyrannosaurus rex can't see them if they don't move, even though the beast
> is right in front of them. Now, a scientist reports that T. rex had some of
> the best vision in animal history. This sensory prowess strengthens
> arguments for T. rex's role as predator instead of scavenger.

> [Long citation about visual acuity in T.Rex]

All fine and good, but visual acuity has nothing to do directly with
the ability of seeing not moving objects. As far as I know even an
Eagle cannot see a Mouse if the Mouse isn't moving.

This ability does not depend on the eye organisation and acuity but
instead on some neural structure. Most animals which are able to see
not moving objects do this by moving theirs head from side to side and
the rest move theirs eyes from side to side.
Every Chicken can this and so could possibly also T. Rex, but in my
opinion you cannot infer that from his eyeballs' shape or measurements.

Greetings
Marco P
deowll - 26 Jul 2006 21:34 GMT
>> In the 1993 movie Jurassic Park, one human character tells another that a
>> Tyrannosaurus rex can't see them if they don't move, even though the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> the ability of seeing not moving objects. As far as I know even an
> Eagle cannot see a Mouse if the Mouse isn't moving.

A frog could not. Either the frog must be moving or the item must move. This
is the most advanced animal I've read about that acts this way and it may be
an adaption. It does make them acutely aware of motion.

An eagle will grab dead meat and the last I heard most dead animals aren't
doing a lot of moving.

> This ability does not depend on the eye organisation and acuity but
> instead on some neural structure. Most animals which are able to see
> not moving objects do this by moving theirs head from side to side and
> the rest move theirs eyes from side to side.
> Every Chicken can this and so could possibly also T. Rex, but in my
> opinion you cannot infer that from his eyeballs' shape or measurements.

A t-rex brain suggests it had an excellent sense of smell and good vision.
The brain is bird like. Any thought that T-rex wouldn't eat something it
could both see and smell is very bad science.

> Greetings
> Marco P
Marco Pagliero - 28 Jul 2006 12:54 GMT
deowll schrieb:

> > All fine and good, but visual acuity has nothing to do directly with
> > the ability of seeing not moving objects. As far as I know even an
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> is the most advanced animal I've read about that acts this way and it may be
> an adaption. It does make them acutely aware of motion.
Humans are the most advanced animals moving their eyes all the time (
microsaccades, tremor, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsaccade ).

Although the question is not set, at least a researcher has shown that
by both blocking this movements or alternatively letting the scene move
together with the eyes, perception disappears within seconds. This
means in my opinion that strictly speaking we ourselves cannot see
not-movig objects.

> An eagle will grab dead meat and the last I heard most dead animals aren't
> doing a lot of moving.
Birds move all the time their heads and it is easy to observe Chickens
doing this as they stare at small fixed objects.

> A t-rex brain suggests it had an excellent sense of smell and good vision.
> The brain is bird like. Any thought that T-rex wouldn't eat something it
> could both see and smell is very bad science.

I did not pretend I'm making any science and I did not pretend T-Rex
was _absolutely_ unable to see unmoved objects. I was just proposing
that you cannot decide this from an analysis of his eyes alone, because
this ability has nothing to do directly with visual acuity itself.

Greetings
Marco P
deowll - 28 Jul 2006 19:30 GMT
> deowll schrieb:
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> means in my opinion that strictly speaking we ourselves cannot see
> not-movig objects.

If true this is very odd. There is absolutely nothing about the struture of
the eye to cause this. The photons are still hitting the retina and the data
is still going to the brain. It would have to be in the brain.

>> An eagle will grab dead meat and the last I heard most dead animals
>> aren't
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Greetings
> Marco P
Marco Pagliero - 16 Aug 2006 16:24 GMT
deowll schrieb:

> "Marco Pagliero" <martesi@web.de> wrote in message

> > Although the question is not set, at least a researcher has shown that
> > by both blocking this movements or alternatively letting the scene move
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> the eye to cause this. The photons are still hitting the retina and the data
> is still going to the brain. It would have to be in the brain.

Sorry I missed your posting till today.

Photons are still hitting the retina but no data are going to the
brain.

One layer in the retina is continously generating a mean light level
from the last few seconds of input and another layer calculates the
difference between this mean level and the instantaneous photon signal.
This difference is what is normally transmitted to brain.

One could think that this difference becomes zero if the scene doesn't
change, but both layers have a different resolution so I don't think
that what they see do become identical.

It seems that the neurons of this second layer simply stop sending if
their own input signal doesn't change for a while (That is to say, the
difference doesn't change). But this is a normal behaviour for all
neurons and no surprise.

Greetings
Marco P
deowll - 24 Aug 2006 04:31 GMT
> deowll schrieb:
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Greetings
> Marco P

Sounds good but when humans have ocular surgery they sometimes are numbed
and paralyzed in the eye region but not put under for medical reasons. They
continue to see blurred images. Yes something is going on in their field of
view but not everything blanks out that isn't moving or that's the way I
heard it. I haven't tried this yet. Hope never to learn in person.
Aardvark J. Bandersnatch - 28 Jul 2006 15:25 GMT
> ... the last I heard most dead animals aren't doing a lot of moving.

You should meet my most recent ex-wife.
 
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