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EarlCox - 06 Sep 2006 02:21 GMT Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go??
John Harshman - 06 Sep 2006 16:43 GMT > Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few > months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? Summer vacation? Say something paleontological and see if you get a response.
Ken Shaw - 06 Sep 2006 17:00 GMT > > Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few > > months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? > > Summer vacation? Say something paleontological and see if you get a > response. Birds are directly descended from theropods and cladistics is the only way to classify organisms.
Ken
Gautam Majumdar - 06 Sep 2006 18:39 GMT >> > Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a >> > few months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Birds are directly descended from theropods Hey, see this paper. Even in 2006 not everybody agrees with that.
Kurochkin E N, Parallel evolution of theropod dinosaurs and birds, Zoologicheskii Zhurnal 2006; 85: 283-297
Abstract
In recent years, the hypothesis of an origin of birds from theropod dinosaurs has been widely spread. Direct sisterly relations between theropods and birds are established based on such casual and formal synapomorphies, as the number of tail vertebrae, relative length of the humerus, flatness of the dorsal edge of the pubis, etc. In essence, this hypothesis is developed on such characters (recognized as homologies), as feathers, furcula, uncinate processes, pygostyle, double-condyled cranial joint of quadrate, and inverted back pubic bone, which are discovered in various groups of Coelurosauria. Not so long ago, they were considered as apomorphies in birds. Nevertheless, all these characters are mosaically distributed among dromeosaurids, troodontids, oviraptorosaurids, therizinosaurids, and tyrannosaurids. There is no Theropoda group, where they would occur together. This fact testifies to parallelism in the evolution of theropods and birds. Theropod dinosaurs and Sauriurae (Archaeornithes with Enantiomithes) have a number of important system synapomorphies that demonstrate their close relationships. Ornithurine birds do not have such synapomorphics, but their monophyly is established according to a great number of diagnostic characters. The hypothesis of independent origin of Sauriurae and Ornithurae is substantiated. According to this hypothesis, Sauriurae originated from Theropoda in the Jurassic period and Ornithurae from basal Archosauromorpha in the Late Triassic one. Findings of small avian footprints in the upper Triassic and lower Jurassic deposits on different continents support the existence of birds in the Early Mesozoic era.
> cladistics is the only way to classify organisms. Only if you are tracking evolution. Cladistics is no good for habitat analysis, such as benthic and pelagic.
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John Harshman - 06 Sep 2006 18:55 GMT >>>>Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a >>>>few months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Jurassic deposits on different continents support the existence of birds > in the Early Mesozoic era. I keep finding parallels between the BAND crowd and the creationists. Creationists all agree that all hominid fossils are either humans or apes, but they can't agree on which are which. And apparently BAND agree that all bird/dinosaur fossils are either birds or dinosaurs, but they can't agree which. Kurochkin apparently puts the boundary between Sauriurae (almost certainly paraphyletic) and Ornithurae, while Feduccia puts it at some unspecified place within Maniraptora.
But of course I haven't seen the paper itself and don't know what evidence Kurochkin presents as to the true sister group of Ornithurae. He's not still going on about Longisquama, is he?
>>cladistics is the only way to classify organisms. > > Only if you are tracking evolution. Cladistics is no good for habitat > analysis, such as benthic and pelagic. John Harshman - 06 Sep 2006 18:43 GMT >>>Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few >>>months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Birds are directly descended from theropods and cladistics is the only > way to classify organisms. Cladistically, of course, what you meant to say is that birds are theropods.
Ken Shaw - 06 Sep 2006 18:46 GMT > >>>Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few > >>>months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cladistically, of course, what you meant to say is that birds are theropods. Why of course that is what I meant. It's almost like one of us is a sockpuppet.
Ken
John Harshman - 06 Sep 2006 20:12 GMT >>>>>Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few >>>>>months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Why of course that is what I meant. It's almost like one of us is a > sockpuppet. Ah, but which one? Dibs on being the real person.
Ken Shaw - 06 Sep 2006 21:32 GMT > >>>>>Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few > >>>>>months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ah, but which one? Dibs on being the real person. Ah but that makes you the cyberstalking loon while I'm just a sockpuppet.;)
Ken
John Harshman - 07 Sep 2006 00:28 GMT >>>>>>>Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few >>>>>>>months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Ah but that makes you the cyberstalking loon while I'm just a > sockpuppet.;) Still prefer it. And in that case wouldn't I be stalking myself?
John Wilkins - 07 Sep 2006 01:15 GMT > >>>>>>>Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for > >>>>>>>a few months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Still prefer it. And in that case wouldn't I be stalking myself? You'll go blind if you keep doing that.
 Signature John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts "He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
John Wilkins - 07 Sep 2006 01:14 GMT > > > Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few > > > months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Birds are directly descended from theropods and cladistics is the only > way to classify organisms. Damn, I thought you were going to say something controversial...
 Signature John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts "He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Edward Hennessey - 06 Sep 2006 18:17 GMT > Hey, what happened to this news group? I haven't been back here for a few > months, but I see that it is empty? Where did everyone go?? Question. If one could collect any accessible invertebrate megafaunal localities, what would the list be?
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Edward Hennessey
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