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Article: More human-Neandertal mixing evidence uncovered

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Robert Karl Stonjek - 04 Nov 2006 23:25 GMT
More human-Neandertal mixing evidence uncovered
'Dem bones
A reexamination of ancient human bones from Romania reveals more evidence that humans and Neandertals interbred.

Erik Trinkaus, Ph.D., Washington University Mary Tileston Hemenway Professor in Arts & Sciences, and colleagues radiocarbon-dated and analyzed the shapes of human bones from Romania's Pe¨tera Muierii (Cave of the Old Woman). The fossils, discovered in 1952, add to the small number of early modern human remains from Europe known to be more than 28,000 years old.

Results were published in the current issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.

The team found that the fossils were 30,000 years old and principally have the diagnostic skeletal features of modern humans. They also found that the remains had other features known, among potential ancestors, primarily among the preceding Neandertals, providing more evidence there was mixing of humans and Neandertals as modern humans dispersed across Europe about 35,000 years ago. Their analysis of one skeleton's shoulder blade also shows that these humans did not have the full set of anatomical adaptations for throwing projectiles, like spears, during hunting.

The team says that the mixture of human and Neandertal features indicates that there was a complicated reproductive scenario as humans and Neandertals mixed, and that the hypothesis that the Neandertals were simply replaced should be abandoned.

Source: Washington University in St. Louis
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-11/wuis-mhm110206.php

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Robert Karl Stonjek
Jois - 05 Nov 2006 14:30 GMT
More human-Neandertal mixing evidence uncovered
[snip]

The team found that the fossils were 30,000 years old and principally have
the diagnostic skeletal features of modern humans. They also found that the
remains had other features known, among potential ancestors, primarily among
the preceding Neandertals, providing more evidence there was mixing of
humans and Neandertals as modern humans dispersed across Europe about 35,000
years ago. Their analysis of one skeleton's shoulder blade also shows that
these humans did not have the full set of anatomical adaptations for
throwing projectiles, like spears, during hunting.

[snip]

From one sketleton's shoulder blade they are saying that these humans
(plural) wouldn't have been able to throw projectiles?  Circa 30,000-35,000?
Neanderthals? AMH? Neanders who were partly human?  What kind of a tool kit
would that be?

Jois
Lee Olsen - 05 Nov 2006 15:44 GMT
> More human-Neandertal mixing evidence uncovered
> [snip]
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Neanderthals? AMH? Neanders who were partly human?  What kind of a tool kit
> would that be?

I remember back in the old days when it was thought Neandertals
couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time (Speth 2004),
couldn't talk,
http://www.boneclones.com/KO-135.htm

or make beads (Arcy- sur-Cure).

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6930/abs/422395a.html
Wesley A. Niewoehner, Aaron Bergstrom, Derrick Eichele, Melissa Zuroff
and Jeffrey T. Clark
Digital analysis: Manual dexterity in Neanderthals
Nature 422, 395 (27 March 2003)

Abstract
Despite their ability to make and use stone tools, Neanderthals were
presumed to have had limited manual dexterity on the basis of the
anatomy of their thumb and forefinger1 - a contention that has been
called into question2, 3, 4. Here we investigate the likely extent of
Neanderthal thumb function by using a three-dimensional dynamic
simulation that is based on the anatomical details and articular
morphology of the thumb and index finger. We find that these digits
could make tip-to-tip contact, and conclude that manual dexterity in
Neanderthals was probably not significantly different from that of
modern humans.

It shouldn't take Niewoehner et al. long to trash the idea that these
people couldn't throw properly, after all, ancestors of Neandertals
were making what have been described as "javelins" or "thowing" spears.

> Jois
Patut - 15 Nov 2006 07:15 GMT
> More human-Neandertal mixing evidence uncovered
> [snip]
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>
> Jois

DOD "research" right before WII declared Orientals could not fly
aircraft due to the slant of thir eyes and therefore posed no threat.
Pearl Harbour cleared the issue up!
deowll - 22 Nov 2006 04:12 GMT
>> More human-Neandertal mixing evidence uncovered
>> [snip]
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> aircraft due to the slant of thir eyes and therefore posed no threat.
> Pearl Harbour cleared the issue up!

Can remember reading an article when much younger that claimed a special
muscle attached to the scapula and back was extra strong which proved that
Hsn had extra good arm control when throwing.
Spanish Paranoia - 23 Nov 2006 18:20 GMT
> > More human-Neandertal mixing evidence uncovered
> > [snip]
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> >
> > Jois

> DOD "research" right before WII declared Orientals could not fly
> aircraft due to the slant of thir eyes and therefore posed no threat.
Links to that "research", please.?

> Pearl Harbour cleared the issue up!
Isengrim - 27 Dec 2006 02:04 GMT
 More human-Neandertal mixing evidence uncovered
 'Dem bones
 A reexamination of ancient human bones from Romania reveals more evidence that humans and Neandertals interbred.

 Erik Trinkaus, Ph.D., Washington University Mary Tileston Hemenway Professor in Arts & Sciences, and colleagues radiocarbon-dated and analyzed the shapes of human bones from Romania's Pe¨tera Muierii (Cave of the Old Woman). The fossils, discovered in 1952, add to the small number of early modern human remains from Europe known to be more than 28,000 years old.

 I wonder - could a Neanderthal shaped skull in a living human be of interest in this line?

 Check out Darwin's Outcasts at:  www3.telus.net/public/isengrim
 
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