Paper: Analysis of one million base pairs of Neanderthal DNA
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Robert Karl Stonjek - 15 Nov 2006 22:03 GMT Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006
Analysis of one million base pairs of Neanderthal DNA Richard E. Green1, Johannes Krause1, Susan E. Ptak1, Adrian W. Briggs1, Michael T. Ronan2, Jan F. Simons2, Lei Du2, Michael Egholm2, Jonathan M. Rothberg2, Maja Paunovic3,4 and Svante Pääbo1
Abstract Neanderthals are the extinct hominid group most closely related to contemporary humans, so their genome offers a unique opportunity to identify genetic changes specific to anatomically fully modern humans. We have identified a 38,000-year-old Neanderthal fossil that is exceptionally free of contamination from modern human DNA. Direct high-throughput sequencing of a DNA extract from this fossil has thus far yielded over one million base pairs of hominoid nuclear DNA sequences. Comparison with the human and chimpanzee genomes reveals that modern human and Neanderthal DNA sequences diverged on average about 500,000 years ago. Existing technology and fossil resources are now sufficient to initiate a Neanderthal genome-sequencing effort.
1.. Max-Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Deutscher Platz 6, D-04103 Leipzig, Germany 2.. 454 Life Sciences, 20 Commercial Street, Branford, Connecticut 06405, USA 3.. Institute of Quaternary Paleontology and Geology, Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts, A. Kovacica 5/II, HR-10 000 Zagreb, Croatia 4.. Deceased. Source: Nature http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7117/abs/nature05336.html
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John Harshman - 16 Nov 2006 00:16 GMT > Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 500,000 years ago. Existing technology and fossil resources are now > sufficient to initiate a Neanderthal genome-sequencing effort.
> Source: Nature > http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7117/abs/nature05336.html This makes it now very, very unlikely that any significant interbreeding between H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens ever occurred. Big confirmation for the mitochondrial result.
John Roth - 16 Nov 2006 13:22 GMT > > Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > > Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > between H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens ever occurred. Big > confirmation for the mitochondrial result. How do you get this? The paper says that they found no evidence, but left the possibility open.
>From the article, p335, end of paragraph beginning 2nd column: --------------------------------------------------
Nevertheless, this high level of derived alleles in the Neanderthal is incompatible with the simple population split model estimated in the previous section, given split times inferred from the fossil record. This may suggest gene flow between modern humans and Neanderthals. Given that the Neanderthal X chromosome shows a higher level of divergence than the autosomes (R.E.G., unpublished observation), gene flow may have occurred predominantly from modern human males into Neanderthals. More extensive sequencing of the Neanderthal genome is necessary to address this possibility.
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John Harshman - 16 Nov 2006 17:06 GMT >>>Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; >>>Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > How do you get this? The paper says that they found no > evidence, but left the possibility open. I haven't read the paper, and have no access to it, so I can say anything I like. However...
>>From the article, p335, end of paragraph beginning 2nd column: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fossil record. This may suggest gene flow between modern humans > and Neanderthals. Sorry, but how does a high level of derived alleles suggest gene flow? What does this mean?
> Given that the Neanderthal X chromosome shows > a higher level of divergence than the autosomes (R.E.G., unpublished > observation), gene flow may have occurred predominantly from > modern human males into Neanderthals. More extensive sequencing > of the Neanderthal genome is necessary to address this possibility. I really don't see how a bigger sample than one million bases could be necessary, unless it were somehow targeted at, say, the Y chromosome. How significant is the difference between X and autosomes?
John Roth - 17 Nov 2006 18:14 GMT > >>>Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > >>>Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > necessary, unless it were somehow targeted at, say, the Y chromosome. > How significant is the difference between X and autosomes? Without access to the actual paper (and the background to understand what it's saying) the best thing is to look at John Hawk's blog and at Razib's two blogs. There are other interesting sites and blogs, but those two are exemplary, and they link to just about everything else you need to know. Hawks, by the way, is not only a professor at the U of Wisconsin / Madison, he's in the middle of a lot of paleoanthropology himself, with a paper on Neanderthals in press that he's been dropping hints about. He's been a long time supporter of multi-regionalism, in one version or other.
http://johnhawks.net/weblog
Razib is a grad student who seems to be quite well regarded by the pros. "Chet Snicker" is Razib, and I have no idea what the deal is behind the nom-de-plum. Nor do I want to know.
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/ http://www.scienceblogs.com/gnxp/
Note that you don't get on scienceblogs except by invitation, which I suppose says something.
John Roth
John Harshman - 17 Nov 2006 19:39 GMT >>>>>Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; >>>>>Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>Sorry, but how does a high level of derived alleles suggest gene flow? >>What does this mean? What it apparently means is a high level of *shared* derived alleles, mostly referring to SNPs. Given the long coalescence times of human neutral sequences, it may be hard to distinguish gene flow from no gene flow. I bigger sample of individuals might be necessary. Easy for modern humans, hard for Neanderthals.
>>>Given that the Neanderthal X chromosome shows >>>a higher level of divergence than the autosomes (R.E.G., unpublished [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>necessary, unless it were somehow targeted at, say, the Y chromosome. >>How significant is the difference between X and autosomes? I doubt they need a bigger sample of bases. What they need is a bigger sample of individuals. Unfortunately, they can't control what sequences they get, so would have to do a great amount of sequencing on other individuals to get any reasonable sample overlap.
> Without access to the actual paper (and the background to understand > what it's saying) Background I got. But I found the blog useful.
> the best thing is to look at John Hawk's blog and > at Razib's two blogs. There are other interesting sites and blogs, but [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > John Roth spiznet - 16 Nov 2006 13:26 GMT > > Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > > Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > between H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens ever occurred. Big > confirmation for the mitochondrial result. Where does it say anything to this effect in the abstract? I don't see it there? Is it in the article, or are you just pulling this out of the air? -Spiznet
Lee Olsen - 16 Nov 2006 16:55 GMT > > > Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > > > Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > it there? Is it in the article, or are you just pulling this out of the > air? No, he is correct, the keyword being "significant"
> -Spiznet John Harshman - 16 Nov 2006 17:09 GMT >>>Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; >>>Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > air? > -Spiznet If there were significant interbreeding, we would expect some of the sequences to be anomalously similar between H. sapiens and the neanderthal sample. The abstract doesn't mention any, and I would be very surprised if anything so significant had failed make it into the abstract. What the abstract doesn't say can be as informational as what it does say.
johnwl4@aol.com - 18 Nov 2006 23:06 GMT > >>>Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > >>>Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > abstract. What the abstract doesn't say can be as informational as what > it does say. The two studies came to somewhat different conclusions, because they were considering different selections of single nucleotide polymorphisms, or SNP's. One group looked at SNP's derived after the split from Pan, and found 30, which was too many for the time of split between Homo s,, and Neandertals. This group concluded some interbreeding. The other looked at rare ones, IIRC, and concluded only a little, if any. Another scientist thought that both were reasoning beyone their data, and Lalueza was dubious (I remember his name, because he has instituted a practise of treating a dig like a crime scene - rubber gloves, gowns, masks, sterile tools, and freezing specimens.) Me - I don't know enough to have an opinion. Just a non-innocent bystander. Regards John GW
johnwl4@aol.com - 18 Nov 2006 23:52 GMT > > Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > > Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > between H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens ever occurred. Big > confirmation for the mitochondrial result. BTW, have you read what John Hawks says about this on his site? I get confused easily over who has said what. Hawks quotes from the Green paper: "We analysed the DNA sequences generated from a contemporary human using the same sequencing protocol as was used for the Neanderthal. Although ancient DNA is degraded and damaged, this comparison controls for many of the aspects of the analysis including sequencing and alignment methodology. In this case, 7.1% of the divergence along the human lineage is assigned to the time subsequent to the divergence of the two human sequences. The average divergence time between alleles within humans is thus 459,000 years with a 95% confidence interval between 419,000 and 498,000 years. As expected, this estimate of the average human diversity is less than the divergence seen between the human and the Neanderthal sequences, but constitutes a large fraction of it because much of the human sequence diversity is expected to predate the human-Neanderthal split. Neanderthal genetic differences to humans must therefore be interpreted within the context of human diversity." and, since that is under copyright, I'd better add the source, Nature 444: 330-336.
I find the excerpt a little confusing, since Green, et. al., are comparing this modern human with some other genome, the standard one, I suppose, but Hawks discusses this, and concludes that Hn may have varied from the standard very little more than some modern humans. By standard, I mean merely the genome listed as a type. I guess the correct term is not standard, but Congress something or other. Regards John GW
deowll - 22 Nov 2006 04:23 GMT >> Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; >> Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > between H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens ever occurred. Big > confirmation for the mitochondrial result. It confirms Jack. The only thing you can hope to learn by studying mitochondria is about mitochondria including the history of that line of mitochondria. It isn't linked to anything else. Thus it can't tell you about anything else.
According to Mitochondria at least one blue eyed blond is a Native American.
The bottom line is you are going to have to look at every bleeping separately heritable hunk of DNA and try to figure out where it most likely entered the modern gene pool. Then you will have some idea of the history of that hunk of DNA which is all you can know by studying it.
John Harshman - 23 Nov 2006 18:46 GMT >>>Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; >>>Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > mitochondria. It isn't linked to anything else. Thus it can't tell you about > anything else. This just isn't true. Mitochondria aren't linked to nuclear genes, but there are limits on just how different the history of mitochondria can be from the history of pieces of the nuclear genome. It's possible that the divergence of neanderthals and modern humans are recent enough to be close to that limit, but it doesn't look like that to me. Now if introgression is entirely one-way, i.e. without any contribution by neanderthal females to the modern human lineage, the mt data might be biased. But that would run counter to Haldane's rule, so seems less likely than alternatives.
> According to Mitochondria at least one blue eyed blond is a Native American. Is there something wrong with that idea? How do you define "Native American"?
> The bottom line is you are going to have to look at every bleeping > separately heritable hunk of DNA and try to figure out where it most likely > entered the modern gene pool. Then you will have some idea of the history of > that hunk of DNA which is all you can know by studying it. Apparently statistical sampling is a technique you reject?
deowll - 23 Nov 2006 23:44 GMT >>>>Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; >>>>Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Is there something wrong with that idea? How do you define "Native > American"? Somebody whose ancestors, most of them anyway, were here at least three thousand years ago. This woman almost certainly only had native American mitochondria. As a means of figuring out the source of her nuclear DNA looking at her mitochondria would be the mother all of mistakes. This sample of one would lead to a very wrong conclusion.
>> The bottom line is you are going to have to look at every bleeping >> separately heritable hunk of DNA and try to figure out where it most [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Apparently statistical sampling is a technique you reject? It won't give you the total picture. Counting on it may leave you looking foolish.
Two examples. We have at least some Asian DNA from out of Africa about 2,000,000 yrs back. That kicks a lot of theories in the head. That may be one of the oldest but not only ouch out there. If you check around there are already a lot of known ouches out there. Simple facts that do not fit many a theory.
We have an X chromosome that was picked up from chimps a long time after the rest of our DNA seems to have split from the chimp line. That means the LCA of humans and chimps occurred twice.
DNA is being reworked by selection all the time. At best what you find in the modern gene pool is not going to give you a complete family tree. It does not work that way. You do not carry unique genetic markers off all your ancestors and until you've actually read the entire book you don't know the story.
As one man said, "I had the family tree all worked out until I read grandma's secret diary. It turned out she had a thing for traveling salesmen." Of course he only learned what happened with one grandma. What went on with the other grandma's farther back is obscure.
Even after we get the current edition of the DNA book read, data coming out of fossils is going to still be causing a lot of ouches and even that won't be the total story.
Data sampling needs to include a lot more data than we now have. Some checking a few years back made me certain that a lot of people are over looking a lot of data already known because they don't want to deal with it or haven't bothered to look.
My last thought on this is that if I can find it then its not that hard to find.
John Harshman - 24 Nov 2006 04:48 GMT >>>>>Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; >>>>>Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > looking at her mitochondria would be the mother all of mistakes. This sample > of one would lead to a very wrong conclusion. Your idea is silly. You have no idea where her mitochondria came from. And statistically speaking, if she had, say, only a full-blooded Native American maternal grandmother, her nuclear genome would also be 1/4 Native American too. Apparently eye and hair color were not in that part of the genome. Mind you, genetic differences among populations are small compared to those within populations.
>>>The bottom line is you are going to have to look at every bleeping >>>separately heritable hunk of DNA and try to figure out where it most [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It won't give you the total picture. Counting on it may leave you looking > foolish. So you do reject statistical sampling. In order to say anything reliable about genetic variation, we need to know the complete genomes of all individuals in the population. Well, it's one way to go.
> Two examples. We have at least some Asian DNA from out of Africa about > 2,000,000 yrs back. That kicks a lot of theories in the head. That may be > one of the oldest but not only ouch out there. If you check around there are > already a lot of known ouches out there. Simple facts that do not fit many a > theory. No idea what that meant. What's your source for this 2 million yeara old Asian DNA?
> We have an X chromosome that was picked up from chimps a long time after the > rest of our DNA seems to have split from the chimp line. That means the LCA > of humans and chimps occurred twice. No, if it's really valid, it just means that there was some introgression between chimps and human lineages a bit later than the time most gene flow ended.
> DNA is being reworked by selection all the time. At best what you find in > the modern gene pool is not going to give you a complete family tree. It > does not work that way. You do not carry unique genetic markers off all your > ancestors and until you've actually read the entire book you don't know the > story. OK, might as well not bother then, because we'll never be able to sequence everyone's entire genome, not to mention all the dead people.
> As one man said, "I had the family tree all worked out until I read > grandma's secret diary. It turned out she had a thing for traveling [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > My last thought on this is that if I can find it then its not that hard to > find. Out of curiosity, what are you talkign about?
deowll - 29 Nov 2006 02:04 GMT >>>>>>Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; >>>>>>Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Your idea is silly. You have no idea where her mitochondria came from. It's not that uncommon to know who your ancestors are for a good many generations back and at least in the maternal line you can be fairly certain about the fact.
> And statistically speaking, if she had, say, only a full-blooded Native > American maternal grandmother, her nuclear genome would also be 1/4 > Native American too. Apparently eye and hair color were not in that part > of the genome. Mind you, genetic differences among populations are small > compared to those within populations. When it comes to who gets what genes from several generations back statistically speaking you can only consider the answer to be meaningful in you are talking about groups rather than individuals. The answer is yes or no. Not some sort of average.
>>>>The bottom line is you are going to have to look at every bleeping >>>>separately heritable hunk of DNA and try to figure out where it most [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > about genetic variation, we need to know the complete genomes of all > individuals in the population. Well, it's one way to go. Works for finding oil in the ground too.
>> Two examples. We have at least some Asian DNA from out of Africa about >> 2,000,000 yrs back. That kicks a lot of theories in the head. That may be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No idea what that meant. What's your source for this 2 million yeara old > Asian DNA? It was in paleo anthro and I followed the links given. Look it up. It'll take about four years to get published in a book.
>> We have an X chromosome that was picked up from chimps a long time after >> the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > introgression between chimps and human lineages a bit later than the > time most gene flow ended. A lot later and that was the real LCA unless you want to write a new defination.
>> DNA is being reworked by selection all the time. At best what you find in >> the modern gene pool is not going to give you a complete family tree. It [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > OK, might as well not bother then, because we'll never be able to > sequence everyone's entire genome, not to mention all the dead people. They are working on being able to do the first one. The data suggests they can bring the price down to a $1,000 in the life span of some of the people now alive at which time they want to stick a copy in everybody's medical records.
>> As one man said, "I had the family tree all worked out until I read >> grandma's secret diary. It turned out she had a thing for traveling [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Out of curiosity, what are you talkign about? What I said. I decided a few summers ago to take a few days and find out how much data was available. There was a mountain. A lot of it meant either you and the people like you aren't as well informed as you think or a lot of people are lying about what they've found.
Some of it actually dates back to methods predating cheap DNA testing but proteins come from somewhere. The last I heard it was genes. If you look at what got published a few years back things go one way. Shift through this stuff and you don't think much of a lot of what many people said.
One of the most painful realizations was the bottle neck as presented amounted to picking one option that would fit the numbers and ignoring other options that would fit the numbers. There was a fair amount of group think but even so the date of the supposed bottle neck and Homo sapians sapians moving out of Afirca got moved all over the place.
You have fun now.
johnwl4@aol.com - 29 Nov 2006 17:17 GMT >>>>> (snip). Well, it's one way to go. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No idea what that meant. What's your source for this 2 million yeara old > Asian DNA? Believe it worked this way subject to someone more knowledgeable correcting me.. Samples were compared from several groups around the world. Some DNA was found in the Asian sample, and not in the others. An examination of the SNP'S, or whatever, showed a number of changes from other groups that were consistent with the 200 million year difference in time. Genetic clock, in other words. I'll see if I can find the name of the researchers. Regards John GW
Roger Bagula - 16 Nov 2006 19:52 GMT > /Nature/ *444*, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7117/abs/nature05336.html > The other paper seems to have had better reproduction of dna sequences : not just identification:
> In another paper published in Science, Professor Rubin's team used a > different approach called metagenomics, where the fragments of > Neanderthal genetic material were incorporated into bacteria which > then copied themselves, generating a living "library" of DNA > sequences. This method resulted in the recovery of 65,250 base pairs > of Neanderthal DNA. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-neanderthal16nov16,1,75554 32.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
Hey American Moron! - 23 Nov 2006 09:45 GMT got it the first time, dingdong.
>> Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; >> Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > http://www.lat > mes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-neanderthal16nov16,1,7555432.story?coll=la-headlines-nation Roger Bagula - 16 Nov 2006 20:38 GMT > /Nature/ *444*, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7117/abs/nature05336.html > Real World and not fantasy news? My opinion is that this ( both the German and the American effort) is a "government" lab project headed by political types and the actual science ( if any) is only a side project to the publicity machine... Since only government sponsored labs can probably afford the sequencing equipment, technicians and software needed to do this kind of work, it doesn't really tell us very much?! There actually might be some real scientists who will work for underpaid GS rating pay? Most of the real DNA people work for private DNA sequencing companies who charge an arm and leg for even basic genome scans. This work is a very long way from being able to clone a Neanderthal. It looks like a media circus...
Roger Bagula - 17 Nov 2006 16:41 GMT > Real World and not fantasy news? > My opinion is that this ( both the German and the American effort) is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > This work is a very long way from being able to clone a Neanderthal. > It looks like a media circus... http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v425/n6958/full/425550a.html
In a "24/7 nanolecture", geneticist Eric Lander summarized the Human Genome Project in 24 seconds — "The genome cost US$3 billion and gave us three billion letters: one dollar a letter. Such a deal!"— and then, rather more successfully, in seven words: "Genome. Bought the book. Hard to read."
Jois - 18 Nov 2006 00:00 GMT Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 Analysis of one million base pairs of Neanderthal DNA Richard E. Green1, Johannes Krause1, Susan E. Ptak1, Adrian W. Briggs1, Michael T. Ronan2, Jan F. Simons2, Lei Du2, Michael Egholm2, Jonathan M. Rothberg2, Maja Paunovic3,4 and Svante Pääbo1 Abstract Neanderthals are the extinct hominid group most closely related to contemporary humans, so their genome offers a unique opportunity to identify genetic changes specific to anatomically fully modern humans. We have identified a 38,000-year-old Neanderthal fossil that is exceptionally free of contamination from modern human DNA. Direct high-throughput sequencing of a DNA extract from this fossil has thus far yielded over one million base pairs of hominoid nuclear DNA sequences. Comparison with the human and chimpanzee genomes reveals that modern human and Neanderthal DNA sequences diverged on average about 500,000 years ago. Existing technology and fossil resources are now sufficient to initiate a Neanderthal genome-sequencing effort. Max-Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Deutscher Platz 6, D-04103 Leipzig, Germany 454 Life Sciences, 20 Commercial Street, Branford, Connecticut 06405, USA Institute of Quaternary Paleontology and Geology, Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts, A. Kovacica 5/II, HR-10 000 Zagreb, Croatia Deceased. Source: Nature http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7117/abs/nature05336.html
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Here's what Nature calls the editor's summary:
Editor's Summary 16 November 2006 Neanderthal Genomics
Neanderthal traits appear in the human fossil record of Europe and western Asia about 400,000 years ago and vanish about 30,000 years ago. The Neanderthals are our closest extinct relatives, so as DNA technology advances the tantalizing prospect of identifying genetic changes characteristic of fully modern humans comes closer. A 38,000-year-old Neanderthal bone of sufficiently high quality to allow the extraction of more than a million base pairs has now been identified: it was originally found Vindija cave in Croatia (pictured on the cover) in 1980. Comparison of its DNA with the chimp and human genomes reveals that Neanderthal and human ancestors - like humans but unlike apes - had a small effective population size. The technology used in this work offers the prospect of a draft Neanderthal genome within two years. Can ya'll tell me what difference "effective population size" makes? TIA, Jois
John Harshman - 18 Nov 2006 01:08 GMT > Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; Received > 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Neanderthal genome within two years. > Can ya'll tell me what difference "effective population size" makes? It has effects on two important things: the amount of neutral polymorphism in a population, and the length of time it takes these polymorphisms to become fixed after interbreeding stops.
Hey American Moron! - 23 Nov 2006 09:45 GMT are WE and We and WE repeating ourselves, infinitesimallymally mallyz?
> Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; Received > 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > TIA, > Jois Hey American Moron! - 23 Nov 2006 09:50 GMT Inevitably, everyone will throw themselves off cliffs like lemmings to interpret FIRST!
I suggest we stand back and let the research work, then allow the authors and significant others to comment ........... before all the APE-sh.ts HERE throw a neandrum and go extinct!.
Sheesh! Stop the tail gating and piling on!
> Nature 444, 330-336 (16 November 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature05336; > Received 14 July 2006; Accepted 11 October 2006 [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Posted by > Robert Karl Stonjek Spanish Paranoia - 24 Nov 2006 12:00 GMT > Inevitably, everyone will throw themselves off cliffs like lemmings > to interpret FIRST! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sheesh! Stop the tail gating and piling on! That's all you can do moron, sit back and believe every idiocy they show you on TV. Have you been told already about Noah's Ark?
moron ...
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