Natural Science Forum / Biology / Paleontology / June 2007

Hi,

Q1. What Kind of Evolution Environment in Some Planet is Needed for
Vegetables to Develop Legs, Hands and Big Brains ?

Please take a look below copies of my couple articles in sci.physics,
sci.astro and sci.med.pathology.

Best Regards,

Hannu Poropudas

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Hi,

Sorry I forget to put the internet addres about Roswell video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQRCmko5cR0

Best Regards,

Hannu

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Hi,

I put below copies of two articles about Roswell autopsy video for
comments.
These copies are from years 1995 and 1998.

(this video is available in the  internet and it is about 17 min long,
Hint: Use Google search machine and select search words Roswell
autopsy,
and select also images)

Please give your comments about this strange matter !

Best Regards,

Hannu Poropudas

From: c...@southern.co.nz (Colin Douthwaite)
Subject: Roswell Alien Autopsy - Pathologist's View
Date: 1995/09/16
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This article, by an M.D., may have escaped the notice of many
readers of the Roswell Alien Autopsy threads so it is reposted here
to add to the extensive debate on the recent TV screenings:

--------------------  reposted from sci.med  -----------------

From: Ed Uthman <uth...@domi.net>
Newsgroups:sci.med.pathology,sci.med,misc.education.medical,
alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Fox's "Alien Autopsy" - A Pathologist's View
Date: 15 Sep 1995 01:12:20 GMT
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I have just watched a tape of this very interesting show, but I must
say that I have to be a little less charitable than the pathologist
commentators on the show. I think it is a hoax, for some of the
reasons brought up on the show and other reasons of my own.

1. I agree with the cinematographer whose suspicion was raised when
the close-up shots were out of focus. Clearly the camera _could_
focus closely, as in the external shots and shots of the excised
"organs" on the table, but where you really needed resolution to
figure out the anatomy (the in situ shots), the film was
conveniently fuzzy.

2. Any pathologist involved in such a case would be obsessed with
documenting the findings. He would be systematically demonstrating
findings every step of the way, such as showing how the joints
worked, whether the eyelids closed, etc. He should be ordering the
cameraman all over the place, but instead the cameraman was totally
ignored, like he wasn't there at all. The pathologist acted more
like an actor in front of a camera than someone who was cooperating
in a photographic documentation session.

3. The prosector used scissors like a tailor, not like a pathologist
or surgeon. He held the scissors with thumb and forefinger, whereas
pathologists and surgeons put the thumb in one scissors hole and the
middle or ring finger in the other. The forefinger is used to steady
the scissors further up toward the blades.

4. The way the initial cuts in the skin were made a little too
Hollywood-like, too gingerly, like operating on a living patient.
Autopsy cuts are deeper and faster.

5. I would expect the skin of a species with a jointed endoskeleton
to be elastic, so it could move with and glide over moving joints.
When cuts were made in the "alien's" skin, the edges of the skin did
not retract from the blade.

6. The most implausible thing of all is that the "alien" just had
amorphous lumps of tissue in "her" body cavities. I cannot fathom
that an alien who had external organs so much like ours could not
have some sort of definitive structural organs internally. And
again, the prosectors did not make any attempt to arrange the organs
for demonstration to the camera.

7. This of course is outside my area of expertise, but the whole
production just did not "look right" for a military documentary of
the 1940's. I'm sure an expert in lighting, cinematography, etc.
could be a bit more specific. Maybe they should have hired the guy
who did Woody Allen's _Zelig_ to give the production a little more
technical verisimilitude.

8. And the "period pieces," the wall phone and electric wall clock
were just a little too glib, IMHO.

9. Oh, yeah. The body was not propped up on a body block (which goes
under the back during the examination of the trunk and under the
head for removal of the brain). This is a very basic piece of
autopsy equipment, and all pathologists use it.

So, I think it was a really fine effort, worthy even of a Cal Tech
prank, but not quite good enough to be believable.

Ed Uthman, MD
Pathologist
Houston/Richmond, TX, USA

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Bye,

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From: Peter Kazlouski <pete...@erols.com>
Subject: INITIAL FINDINGS UPON EXAMINATION AND AUTOPSY OF THE BODY OF
AN APPARENT ALIEN CREATURE
Date: 1998/04/26
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EMHP wrote:

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  SUBJECT AUTOPSY REPORT  1
  DATE 7/14/47
  COPY ONE OF THREE

  INITIAL FINDINGS UPON EXAMINATION AND AUTOPSY OF THE BODY OF AN
  APPARENT ALIEN CREATURE

  1. External Appearance

  This body was observed to be in a state of significant
deterioration.
  It had been preserved with formaldehyde solution but not otherwise
  dissected.

  The cadaver was 44 inches long with a weight of 27 pounds when the
  preservative solution had been drained.

  The external appearance of this cadaver was of a human embryo with
an
  enlarged cranium.  Hands and feet were normal.  Fingers and toenails
  had been had been pared.  Fingerprints of a swirl-left pattern were
  observed and taken.  All ten fingers and toes were apparent.  There
  was some vestigial webbing between first and second fingers and
toes.

  Sexual organs appeared to be those of a male.  They were in an
  embryonic state and revealed no evidence of pubescence.

  Ears were partially formed, and showed some evidence of surgical
  intervention.
  Folds of skin had been drawn out from the surface of the scalp in an
  apparent attempt to create the impression of a more fully developed
  ear than was actually present.

  Lips were vestigial and the mouth contained no erupted teeth.  The
  nose was also in an incomplete state of growth and had also received
  surgical intervention, resulting in what appeared to be a very thin
a
  delicate organ.

  Eyes were distinguished by extensive surgical intervention.  They
were
  almond-shaped and by far the most prominent facial feature.  The
  eyeballs were not matured and appeared to have been sutured with
  artificial lenses of an unknown type.  Because of their extremely
  unusual condition, dissection of these eyes was not attempted.

  2. Dissection

  An incision was made from the thorax to the scrotum.  The skin was
  first extended from the fascia and the fascia was observed to be
  consistent with the appearance of an immature human male.  The
fascia
  were then dissected and the internal organs were observed.  The
  position of the heart was observed to be vertical, as would be
  consistent with a very early fetus, prior to the fourth month.  The
  organ was prominent and was weighed to be 1/70th of the mass of the
  body.  When the organ was dissected it was found that there was
direct
  communication between the two auricles through the formen ovale.
The
  Eustachian valve was observed to be large.  A ductus arteriosus was
  observed to communicate between the pulmonary artery and the
  descending aorta.  This ductus opened into the descending aorta
  just below the origin of the left subclavian artery.

  Alterations in the structure of the circulatory system suggested
that
  this body had been surgically corrected to detach it from placental
  dependence in an artificial manner.  The stomach was opened and
found
  to be free of any food substances.  The cardiac orifice was
apparently
  atrophied, although the deterioration of the corpus made this
  difficult to determine.  It is possible that this individual did not
  eat.

  The liver was prominent and it was clear that the blood of the
  umbilical vein would traverse it before entering the inferior cava.
  The umbilical vein itself had been severed of its placental crown
and
  returned to the circulatory system by a means that was beyond the
  scope of this dissection to establish.

  The lungs were not developed.  There were lateral pouches on either
  side of the central diverticulum, open through into the pharynx.
The
  larynx was somewhat cartilaginous and the trachea was developed.

  It is probable that this individual did not breathe and more than he
  ate.  The means of sustaining life is unknown, if he was ever alive
in
  any practical sense.

  The cranium was dissected and it was found that the skull was formed
  of exceptionally thin and pliant cartilaginous material, appearing
to
  be bone precursor that had been affected in some manner, making it
  more than usually thin and delicate.  The brain itself was
extensively
  and surprisingly formed.  There was an unknown cortex superimposed
on
  the forebrain and extending as far back as the fissure of Ralando.

  Because of this extraordinary formation it was decided not to pursue
  dissection of the brain at this time.  The organ was extracted and
  placed in fluid preservation pending further study.

  Overall, this corpus presented the appearance of a human embryo of
  three to four months duration that had been the subject of
  considerable alteration and modification, some of it obviously
  surgical.  Other modifications, such as that of the brain, were
harder
  to understand.  In addition to the alterations, there
  was the matter of the size of the body and the relatively mature
  condition of the epidermis and nails.  It would appear that this
fetus
  was separated from its mother and brought to a semi-functional state
  by artificial means.

  3. Conclusion

  This is a human fetus that has been subjected to forced maturation
  without normal gestation.  Its degree of functionality while living
if
  it ever was alive is unknown.

                           TOP SECRET MAJIC

  SUBJECT AUTOPSY REPORT  2
  DATE 7/14/47
  COPY ONE OF THREE

  INITIAL FINDINGS UPON EXAMINATION
  AND AUTOPSY OF THE BODY OF AN
  APPARENT ALIEN CREATURE

  1. External Appearance

  This body was observed to be in a state of profound deterioration.
It
  had not been preserved but was delivered in a container of
rubberized
  canvas, to which some of the tissue had adhered.  The cadaver was 36
  inches long with a weight of 8 pounds.  The external appearance of
  this cadaver was not of a human type.

  The skin appeared smooth and a dark bluish-gray in color.  There was
  no clothing on the body.  There were no genitals and no was of
  determining sex, if any.  The nose consisted of two slits, the mouth
  was a small opening that did not appear to be supported by an
  articulated jaw, and there were holes in the position of ears.  The
  cranium was round and large in proportion to the body and the eyes
  were almond-shaped.  The eyes were closed and could not be opened
  without damaging structures, due to condition of decaying tissue.

  Arms and wrists were very thin.  The hands displayed a three-digit
  arrangement without thumb.  The arms extended to approximately three
  inches above the knee. The three fingers extended directly from the
  wrist, with no palm.

  2. Dissection

  The body was opened from crotch to chin.  A green liquid emerged
from
  the incision.  The skin was not backed by fascia, and the bone
  structure appeared to be a cartilaginous substance of light
green-blue
  color.

  Internal organs were observed but their function was unclear.  The
  thoracic and peritoneal cavities communicated and there appeared to
be
  no respiratory system and no stomach.  The esophagus was vestigial
and
  dissipated before reaching another organ.

  There appeared to be two multi-chambered hearts and it was surmised
  that body fluid could be pumped rapidly.  There was an extensive
  circulatory system that involved three different types of vein.
Some
  material was extracted from one of these systems and suggested
  possible waste, leading to the notion that waste may have been
exuded
  through the skin.

  The fluid removed from the body was analyzed under the microscope
and
  found to be a vegetable substance, chlorophyll-based.  It is
possible
  that photosynthesis was the means of obtaining energy.

  The cranium was dissected and it was observed that a ridge of
  cartilage separated the brain into two completely isolated
components.
  The brain was severely deteriorated, but appeared to be extensively
  fissured and divided into numerous lobes.  Because of the
  deterioration the degree of bilateralism of the two halves could not
  be determined with any accuracy.

  This cadaver exuded an unusually foul odor.

  3. Conclusion

  This is not a cadaver of a kind previously observed by or known to
  this pathologist.  It appears to be a form of creature utilizing
  elements of both the animal and vegetable.

...

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