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Creation Museums and Creation Science

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simple_language@yahoo.com - 27 Mar 2007 15:38 GMT
source:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070326_a_world_where_lies_are_true/

In the middle of the lobby of the 50,000-square-foot Creation
Museum in Petersburg, Ky., a 20-foot waterfall tumbles. Two
life-size figures of children with long black hair and in
buckskin clothes play in the stream a few feet from two towering
Tyrannosaurus Rex models that can move and roar. The museum,
which cost $25 million to build and has a sea of black asphalt
parking lots for school buses, has a scale model of Noah's ark
that shows how Noah solved the problem of fitting dinosaurs into
the three levels of the vessel-he loaded only baby dinosaurs.
And on the wooden model, infant dinosaurs cavort with horses,
giraffes, hippopotamuses, penguins and bears.  There is an
elaborate display of the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve,
naked but strategically positioned so as not to display breasts
or genitals, swim in a river as giant dinosaurs and lizards roam
the banks.

Before Adam and Eve were expelled from paradise, museum visitors
are told, all of the dinosaurs were peaceable plant-eaters.  The
evidence is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gives "green herb"
to every creature to eat.  There were no predators.  T-Rex had
such big teeth, the museum explains, so it could open coconuts.
Only after Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out of paradise did
the dinosaurs start to eat flesh...

There are 30-foot-high walls that represent the cliffs of the
Grand Canyon, floors that resemble rocks embedded with fossils,
and rooms where a "Christian" paleontologist counters the claims
of an "evolutionist" paleontologist.  It has the appearance of a
real science museum, complete with a planetarium, a gift shop and
plaques on the wall with quotes from creationist "scientists" who
have the title doctor conspicuously before their names.  It has
charts, timelines and graphs with facts and figures.  It is meant
to be interactive, to create, like Universal Studios, a contrived
reality with an array of costly animatronic men and women as well
as moving dinosaurs...

Other creationist museums are going up in Arkansas, Texas,
California, Tennessee and Florida.  Museums are part of a massive
push to teach creationism in schools, part of a vast Christian
publishing and filmmaking industry that seeks to rewrite the past
and make it conform to the Bible.  The front lines of the culture
wars are the classrooms.  The battle is one we are slowly
losing.  Twenty states are considering changing the way evolution
is taught in order to include creationism or intelligent design.
Only 13 percent of Americans in a 2004 Gallup poll, when asked
for their views on human origins, said life arose from the
strictly natural process of evolution.  More than 38 percent said
they believed God guided evolution, and 45 percent said the
Genesis account of creation was a true story. Courses on
intelligent design have been taught at Minnesota, Georgia, New
Mexico and Iowa State universities, along with Wake Forest and
Carnegie Mellon, not to mention Christian universities that teach
all science through the prism of the Bible...

And yet, coming from the modern age, these Christo-fascists
cannot discount science.  They employ jargon, methods and data
that appear to be science, to make an argument for creationism.
They have created parallel research and scholarly institutions.
They pump out articles in self-published journals to provide
"evidence" that homosexuals can be cured, that global warming is
a myth, that abortion can cause breast cancer, that something
they call "post-abortion syndrome" leads to deep depression and
suicide and that abstinence-only education is an effective form
of birth control.  This pseudo-science has seeped into the public
debate.  It is disseminated by nervous and timid media anxious to
give both sides in every argument.  Those who have contempt for
facts and truth, for honest research and inquiry, are given the
same platform by the press as those who deal in a world of
reality, fact and rationality.

The movement desperately needs the imprint of science to
legitimize itself.  It achieves this imprint by discrediting real
science and claiming creationist science as true science.  All
attempts to argue the creationists out of their mythical belief,
to persuade them with logic, evidence, scientific inquiry and
fact, will fail.  They have created a "fundamentalist science."
They know they cannot return to the pre-Darwinian innocence that
let them believe the Bible alone was enough.  They need, in the
midst of their flight from reality, to reassure their followers
that science, science not contaminated by secular humanists and
nonbelievers, is on their side.  In this they are a distinctly
modern movement.  They seek the imprint of science and
scholarship to legitimize myth.  This is a characteristic they
share with all modern totalitarian movements, which co-opt the
disciplines of law, science, medicine and scholarship to give a
modern veneer to their primitive and superstitious belief
systems, systems that allow the rulers to dictate reality and
truth.  The "paraprofessional" organizations formed by the
Christian right, organizations of teachers, journalists, doctors,
lawyers and scientists, mimic the activities of real professional
groups.  They seek to challenge the legitimacy and the power of
the traditional organizations.  The duplication of the structures
and methods employed by the non-totalitarian world, the use of
pseudo-science to dress up fantasy, is slowly undermining our
legitimate scientific and educational institutions.  It is
destroying the foundations of our open society.  It is ushering
us into a world where lies are true.
Bill M - 28 Mar 2007 18:17 GMT
Sounds like 25 million dollars worth of lies and myths!

> source:
> http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070326_a_world_where_lies_are_true/
[quoted text clipped - 96 lines]
> destroying the foundations of our open society.  It is ushering
> us into a world where lies are true.
pbowles@aol.com - 13 Apr 2007 08:02 GMT
On 28 Mar, 00:38, "simple_langu...@yahoo.com"
<simple_langu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> source:http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070326_a_world_where_lies_are_t...
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> evidence is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gives "green herb"
> to every creature to eat.

One wonders if he gave "green herb" to the exhibit's organisers to
smoke...

 There were no predators.  T-Rex had
> such big teeth, the museum explains, so it could open coconuts.

On the other hand, the organiser could have redeemed himself by making
a diorama of this scene. The imagery is wonderful.

And since when was a coconut a green herb anyway?

> Only after Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out of paradise did
> the dinosaurs start to eat flesh...

Why then? Was there a shortage of coconuts?

> Other creationist museums are going up in Arkansas, Texas,
> California, Tennessee and Florida.  Museums are part of a massive
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Carnegie Mellon, not to mention Christian universities that teach
> all science through the prism of the Bible...

Even as someone outside the US, I despair at the picture of the future
of American science this paints. In my own field the US is already
being overtaken in research publications by workers from smaller
countries with less funding, and when the largest source of research
funding isn't producing the greatest number or quality of results,
that has to imply failings in American science and inefficiencies in
the allocation of funds for important research. Creationism can do
nothing but exacerbate that trend, and the consequences when the
global scientific community is deprived of the products of American
research funding are bleak.

> The movement desperately needs the imprint of science to
> legitimize itself.  It achieves this imprint by discrediting real
> science and claiming creationist science as true science.  All
> attempts to argue the creationists out of their mythical belief,
> to persuade them with logic, evidence, scientific inquiry and
> fact, will fail.  They have created a "fundamentalist science."

Some worrying (if they're taken seriously by laymen) quotes from a
Newsweek article:

""Science comes out of a Biblical worldview," he says. "We don't try
to prove the Bible from outside evidence. We accept the Bible as
presupposition."  " "He" is Jason Lisle, a PhD in, wait for it, solar
astrophysics. But of course he's "Dr Jason Lisle", so how many of the
people he's aiming at will stop to consider that his qualification is
in a wholly unrelated field (in fairness, he runs the museum's
planetarium, but one can't help seeing this as a cynical effort to
persuade visitors who may not discriminate between different
disciplines of creationists' credentials). Other quotes:

""They [evolutionists] basically define science as naturalism. They
say we cannot involve the supernatural." If to Biblical creationists
science can involve the natural and the supernatural, then the debate
appears to be over the definition of the concept "science."  "

""The New Answers Book," has a chapter called: "Does Carbon-14
disprove the Bible?" The answer: "When a scientist's interpretation of
data does not match the clear meaning of the text in the Bible, we
should never reinterpret the Bible. God knows just what he meant to
say, and His understanding of science is infallible, whereas ours is
fallible." Ham hopes that the museum visitors will agree."

It seems hard to believe that anyone could buy this as either an
alternative to science or an acceptable alternative "definition" of
science, but it does highlight just how desperate the creationists are
to co-opt the label for their own purposes, to the point of distorting
it out of all recognition.

Phil
ZenIsWhen - 14 Apr 2007 03:55 GMT
> On 28 Mar, 00:38, "simple_langu...@yahoo.com"
> <simple_langu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> source:http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070326_a_world_where_lies_are_t...
>>
>> In the middle of the lobby of the 50,000-square-foot Creation
>> Museum in Petersburg, Ky., a 20-foot waterfall tumbles.

Yet another basic (creationist) lie............

American Heritage Dictionary  mu·se·um  (myoo-ze'?m)  Pronunciation Key
     n.   A building, place, or institution devoted to the acquisition,
conservation, study, exhibition, and educational interpretation of objects
having scientific, historical, or artistic value.

     All they have here is an exhibit.

     American Heritage Dictionary  ex·hib·it    (ig-zib'it, eg-)
Pronunciation Key
           v.   ex·hib·it·ed, ex·hib·it·ing, ex·hib·its

A public showing; an exhibition: spent the afternoon at the space exhibit.
 
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