Information on the pre-historic monster crow
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Radium - 29 Jun 2007 06:05 GMT Hi:
The following is a description of the monster crow [an extinct species of crows]:
The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is the most terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000 times smaller than that of the average infant crow. Yet its wings [including their feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that of the average adult crow.
Unlike most crows - which are black-colored - the monster crow is white colored. It is pure white.
In addition, the monster crow does not have a beak or claws. It also does not make the 'caacaa' sound of most crows. In fact, the monster crow does not vocalize at all.
The only sounds made by the monster crow are the sounds generated by its wings as it flies through their [without flapping its wings].
The shape of the monster crow is similar to that of regular crows.
The monster crow also rarely - if ever - flaps its wings. Whenever in flight, the monster crow keeps its wings completely spread-out and pointed slightly -- yet noticeably -- upward [rarely, if ever downward].
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\ / is upward.
Think of the edges of the above slashes as the wings.
The wings are also pointed forward and not at all backward. Most airplanes have their wings pointed backward.
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The above two slashes represent backward-pointed wings.
The following two slashes represent forward-pointed wings:
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This monster crow is terrifying because it will accidentally tickle you with its spread-out wings if you are in its environment. This monster crow does not mean to scare you but it has little control over its flight.
With its wings spread out, it will slowly and softy brush against your skin as it flies close to you. This crow does not want to tickle you but since it has great difficult in controlling its movement, you'll definitely be tickled if you are close to it.
The tickling sensation is extremely terrifying and disgusting.
The psychological trauma is so intense that it affects the genes of all mammals.
All mammals fear the monster crow even without being exposed to it. This is because their remote ancestors [millions of years ago] were touched by the tickly wings of the monster crow.
Thankfully the monster crow is now extinct. The extinction was likely due to geographical and climatic changes.
All mammals have an innate fear of the monster crow due to genetic factors that evolved millions of years ago. It's only natural.
Thanks,
Radium
Immortalist - 29 Jun 2007 17:56 GMT > Hi: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that > of the average adult crow. It was probably in a transitionary stage or even like dolphins and whales was evolving limbs from wings which evolved from limbs. The gilding part of you post makes me think something like that.
Flight is the process by which an object achieves sustained movement either through the air by aerodynamically generating lift or aerostatically using buoyancy, or movement beyond earth's atmosphere, in the case of spaceflight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight
A wing is a surface used to produce lift and therefore flight, for travel in the air or another gaseous medium. The wing shape is usually an airfoil. The first use of the word was for the foremost limbs of birds, but has been extended to include the wings of insects, bats and pterosaurs and also man-made devices.
A wing is a device for generating lift. Its aerodynamic quality, expressed as a Lift-to-drag ratio, can be up to 60 on some gliders. This means that a significantly smaller thrust force can be applied to propel the wing through the air in order to obtain a specified lift.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing
The Evolution Of Flight
Perhaps the most perplexing and controversial aspect of the study of flight is the study of how and why flight evolved. Since flight evolved millions of years ago in all of the groups that are capable of flight today, we can't observe the changes in behavior and much of the morphology that the evolution of flight involves. We do have the fossil record, though, and it is fairly good for the three main groups that evolved true flight.
...The most amazing fact about the evolution of flight is the extent of convergent evolution between the three main groups that evolved it (again, the pterosaurs, birds, and bats). In this convergence, we can see some semblance of general "rules" that may govern how animals evolve flight, and from these rules we can perhaps glean a hint of what it takes for an animal to have potential for flight.
Flight Origins: How and Why?
...Evolution is limited by developmental and genetic constraints. If an adaptation is useful to a lineage, chances are that it will be preserved. If an adaptation is co-opted from a previous use to a new use, it is called an exaptation. The only scientific way to approach why flight evolved in a group is to first figure out how it evolved; what the temporal sequence of exaptations and adaptations was.
...If our study of functional morphology determines that the ancestor of a flying group must have been a glider, and we think that it was arboreal (like all modern non-aquatic gliders) then flight must have evolved from an arboreal gliding ancestor. If we have fossilized tracks of our probable ancestor, then we can tell how it was moving on the ground. If we figure out that the probable ancestor of a flying group was a bipedal cursorial (running) form, then flight likely evolved from the ground up.
How and Why Did Wings Evolve?
...Scientists generally agree that wings must have been exaptations; they were used by the ancestor for one function, and became useful for flight among the descendants (if they weren't exaptations, then they were adaptations, which would mean that they were wings already used for powered flight; a circular argument).
A comparative study of the functional morphology of the wings of the earliest known flying members of the lineage with the "pre-wing" structures of likely ancestors and close relatives provides the best evidence for how wings evolved.
1. Wings evolved from arms used to capture small prey.
2. Wings evolved because bipedal animals were leaping into the air; large wings assisted leaping. This is possible; any amount of wing could assist leaping. ...we first need phylogenetic evidence for a bipedal running or leaping origin.
3. Wings were used as sexual display structures; bigger wings were preferred by potential mates.
4. Wings evolved from gliding ancestors who began to flap their gliding structures in order to produce thrust.
It seems that #1, #2, and #4 are the best hypotheses to use for the origin of wings because they can be tested by bringing in other lines of evidence. Move on to consider these origins, but remember: the issues of the evolution of flight and the origins of flight are inextricably linked.
Summarized From; http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vertebrates/flight/evolve.html
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/short.html
> Unlike most crows - which are black-colored - the monster crow is > white colored. It is pure white. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Radium Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BA, MA, BLT, PhD, MYOB, STFU - 30 Jun 2007 10:00 GMT > Hi: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that > of the average adult crow. So let's see. The mature common crow's wingspan is 30- 40cm. If we multiply that by 1,000, we get something like 30,000 cm. This would be the rough equivalent (someone check my math) of 0.3 kilometers, 12,000 inches, 1,000 feet, or (for you sports fans) just less than three football fields or the length of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier.
Somehow, I get the sneaky suspicion that this bird is a physical impossibility, likely dreamed up by either a scientologist or a creationist or someone with a bit too much crank up his snout.
Free Lunch - 30 Jun 2007 15:25 GMT On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:00:32 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism "Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BA, MA, BLT, PhD, MYOB, STFU" <someone@microsfot.com> wrote in <8O-dnQLKlPwphhvbnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@insightbb.com>:
>> Hi: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that >> of the average adult crow. Does a crow body even weigh 100 grams? This one would be less than 100 milligrams. How silly.
>So let's see. The mature common crow's wingspan is 30- 40cm. If we multiply >that by 1,000, we get something like 30,000 cm. This would be the rough >equivalent (someone check my math) of 0.3 kilometers, 12,000 inches, 1,000 >feet, or (for you sports fans) just less than three football fields or the >length of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. It could be surface area (sq. rt. 1000) which would make it only about 35 times longer or mass (lets try all three dimensions), which would still be ten times longer, at least.
>Somehow, I get the sneaky suspicion that this bird is a physical >impossibility, likely dreamed up by either a scientologist or a creationist >or someone with a bit too much crank up his snout. Of course no bird could have wings that were a million times larger than the norm for such a body.
Radium - 01 Jul 2007 02:34 GMT > It could be surface area (sq. rt. 1000) which would make it only about > 35 times longer or mass (lets try all three dimensions), which would > still be ten times longer, at least. I forget two important facts, so all three dimensions may not necessarily apply:
1. The wings of the monster crow maybe a 1,000 times bigger than today's average adult crow. However, the flesh that is present in these monster wings is a 1,000 times thinner than the flesh present in the wings of today' average juvenile crow.
2. Unlike today's crows, the monster crow does not contain any form of any adipose tissue at all.
Radium - 08 Jul 2007 14:54 GMT > > It could be surface area (sq. rt. 1000) which would make it only about > > 35 times longer or mass (lets try all three dimensions), which would [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 2. Unlike today's crows, the monster crow does not contain any form of > any adipose tissue at all. I forgot another extremely important fact. The monster crow's flight speed is extremely slow -- around 1,000 times slower than the average juvenile crow of today.
Lorentz - 01 Jul 2007 03:41 GMT > The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is the most > terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000 times smaller than > that of the average infant crow. Yet its wings [including their > feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that > of the average adult crow. I have difficulty visualizing this animal. Does it look like a piece of string? White string?
spiznet - 01 Jul 2007 04:13 GMT > On Jun 29, 1:05 am, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:> The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is the most > > terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000 times smaller than [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I have difficulty visualizing this animal. Does it look like a > piece of string? White string? We have several of these monster crows on this Google discussion site. One is named Marc E. Verhoevenne. Also there is one Eddy Conrdd, bone monster crow. Beware and be aware!!
Radium - 01 Jul 2007 04:18 GMT > Does it look like a > piece of string? It looks like any mammal's worst innate nightmare -- and it is.
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