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Information on the pre-historic monster crow

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Radium - 29 Jun 2007 06:05 GMT
Hi:

The following is a description of the monster crow [an extinct species
of crows]:

The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is the most
terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000 times smaller than
that of the average infant crow. Yet its wings [including their
feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that
of the average adult crow.

Unlike most crows - which are black-colored - the monster crow is
white colored. It is pure white.

In addition, the monster crow does not have a beak or claws. It also
does not make the 'caacaa' sound of most crows. In fact, the monster
crow does not vocalize at all.

The only sounds made by the monster crow are the sounds generated by
its wings as it flies through their [without flapping its wings].

The shape of the monster crow is similar to that of regular crows.

The monster crow also rarely - if ever - flaps its wings. Whenever in
flight, the monster crow keeps its wings completely spread-out and
pointed slightly -- yet noticeably -- upward [rarely, if ever
downward].

/ \ is downward

\ / is upward.

Think of the edges of the above slashes as the wings.

The wings are also pointed forward and not at all backward. Most
airplanes have their wings pointed backward.

\
/

The above two slashes represent backward-pointed wings.

The following two slashes represent forward-pointed wings:

/
\

This monster crow is terrifying because it will accidentally tickle
you with its spread-out wings if you are in its environment. This
monster crow does not mean to scare you but it has little control over
its flight.

With its wings spread out, it will slowly and softy brush against your
skin as it flies close to you. This crow does not want to tickle you
but since it has great difficult in controlling its movement, you'll
definitely be tickled if you are close to it.

The tickling sensation is extremely terrifying and disgusting.

The psychological trauma is so intense that it affects the genes of
all mammals.

All mammals fear the monster crow even without being exposed to it.
This is because their remote ancestors [millions of years ago] were
touched by the tickly wings of the monster crow.

Thankfully the monster crow is now extinct. The extinction was likely
due to geographical and climatic changes.

All mammals have an innate fear of the monster crow due to genetic
factors that evolved millions of years ago. It's only natural.

Thanks,

Radium
Immortalist - 29 Jun 2007 17:56 GMT
> Hi:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that
> of the average adult crow.

It was probably in a transitionary stage or even like dolphins and
whales was evolving limbs from wings which evolved from limbs. The
gilding part of you post makes me think something like that.

Flight is the process by which an object achieves sustained movement
either through the air by aerodynamically generating lift or
aerostatically using buoyancy, or movement beyond earth's atmosphere,
in the case of spaceflight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight

A wing is a surface used to produce lift and therefore flight, for
travel in the air or another gaseous medium. The wing shape is usually
an airfoil. The first use of the word was for the foremost limbs of
birds, but has been extended to include the wings of insects, bats and
pterosaurs and also man-made devices.

A wing is a device for generating lift. Its aerodynamic quality,
expressed as a Lift-to-drag ratio, can be up to 60 on some gliders.
This means that a significantly smaller thrust force can be applied to
propel the wing through the air in order to obtain a specified lift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing

The Evolution Of Flight

Perhaps the most perplexing and controversial aspect of the study of
flight is the study of how and why flight evolved. Since flight
evolved millions of years ago in all of the groups that are capable of
flight today, we can't observe the changes in behavior and much of the
morphology that the evolution of flight involves. We do have the
fossil record, though, and it is fairly good for the three main groups
that evolved true flight.

...The most amazing fact about the evolution of flight is the extent
of convergent evolution between the three main groups that evolved it
(again, the pterosaurs, birds, and bats). In this convergence, we can
see some semblance of general "rules" that may govern how animals
evolve flight, and from these rules we can perhaps glean a hint of
what it takes for an animal to have potential for flight.

Flight Origins: How and Why?

...Evolution is limited by developmental and genetic constraints. If
an adaptation is useful to a lineage, chances are that it will be
preserved. If an adaptation is co-opted from a previous use to a new
use, it is called an exaptation. The only scientific way to approach
why flight evolved in a group is to first figure out how it evolved;
what the temporal sequence of exaptations and adaptations was.

...If our study of functional morphology determines that the ancestor
of a flying group must have been a glider, and we think that it was
arboreal (like all modern non-aquatic gliders) then flight must have
evolved from an arboreal gliding ancestor. If we have fossilized
tracks of our probable ancestor, then we can tell how it was moving on
the ground. If we figure out that the probable ancestor of a flying
group was a bipedal cursorial (running) form, then flight likely
evolved from the ground up.

How and Why Did Wings Evolve?

...Scientists generally agree that wings must have been exaptations;
they were used by the ancestor for one function, and became useful for
flight among the descendants (if they weren't exaptations, then they
were adaptations, which would mean that they were wings already used
for powered flight; a circular argument).

A comparative study of the functional morphology of the wings of the
earliest known flying members of the lineage with the "pre-wing"
structures of likely ancestors and close relatives provides the best
evidence for how wings evolved.

1. Wings evolved from arms used
to capture small prey.

2. Wings evolved because bipedal animals were
leaping into the air; large wings assisted leaping.
This is possible; any amount of wing could assist
leaping. ...we first need phylogenetic evidence for a
bipedal running or leaping origin.

3. Wings were used as sexual display structures;
bigger wings were preferred by potential mates.

4. Wings evolved from gliding ancestors who
began to flap their gliding structures in order
to produce thrust.

It seems that #1, #2, and #4 are the best hypotheses to use for the
origin of wings because they can be tested by bringing in other lines
of evidence. Move on to consider these origins, but remember: the
issues of the evolution of flight and the origins of flight are
inextricably linked.

Summarized From;
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vertebrates/flight/evolve.html

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/short.html

> Unlike most crows - which are black-colored - the monster crow is
> white colored. It is pure white.
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>
> Radium
Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BA, MA, BLT, PhD, MYOB, STFU - 30 Jun 2007 10:00 GMT
> Hi:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that
> of the average adult crow.

So let's see. The mature common crow's wingspan is 30- 40cm. If we multiply
that by 1,000, we get something like 30,000 cm. This would be the rough
equivalent (someone check my math) of 0.3 kilometers, 12,000 inches, 1,000
feet, or (for you sports fans) just less than three football fields or the
length of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier.

Somehow, I get the sneaky suspicion that this bird is a physical
impossibility, likely dreamed up by either a scientologist or a creationist
or someone with a bit too much crank up his snout.
Free Lunch - 30 Jun 2007 15:25 GMT
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:00:32 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism
"Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BA, MA, BLT, PhD, MYOB, STFU"
<someone@microsfot.com> wrote in
<8O-dnQLKlPwphhvbnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@insightbb.com>:

>> Hi:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that
>> of the average adult crow.

Does a crow body even weigh 100 grams? This one would be less than 100
milligrams. How silly.

>So let's see. The mature common crow's wingspan is 30- 40cm. If we multiply
>that by 1,000, we get something like 30,000 cm. This would be the rough
>equivalent (someone check my math) of 0.3 kilometers, 12,000 inches, 1,000
>feet, or (for you sports fans) just less than three football fields or the
>length of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier.

It could be surface area (sq. rt. 1000) which would make it only about
35 times longer or mass (lets try all three dimensions), which would
still be ten times longer, at least.

>Somehow, I get the sneaky suspicion that this bird is a physical
>impossibility, likely dreamed up by either a scientologist or a creationist
>or someone with a bit too much crank up his snout.

Of course no bird could have wings that were a million times larger than
the norm for such a body.
Radium - 01 Jul 2007 02:34 GMT
> It could be surface area (sq. rt. 1000) which would make it only about
> 35 times longer or mass (lets try all three dimensions), which would
> still be ten times longer, at least.

I forget two important facts, so all three dimensions may not
necessarily apply:

1. The wings of the monster crow maybe a 1,000 times bigger than
today's average adult crow. However, the flesh that is present in
these monster wings is a 1,000 times thinner than the flesh present in
the wings of today' average juvenile crow.

2. Unlike today's crows, the monster crow does not contain any form of
any adipose tissue at all.
Radium - 08 Jul 2007 14:54 GMT
> > It could be surface area (sq. rt. 1000) which would make it only about
> > 35 times longer or mass (lets try all three dimensions), which would
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> 2. Unlike today's crows, the monster crow does not contain any form of
> any adipose tissue at all.

I forgot another extremely important fact. The monster crow's flight
speed is extremely slow -- around 1,000 times slower than the average
juvenile crow of today.
Lorentz - 01 Jul 2007 03:41 GMT
> The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is the most
> terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000 times smaller than
> that of the average infant crow. Yet its wings [including their
> feathers and the number of feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that
> of the average adult crow.
     I have difficulty visualizing this animal. Does it look like a
piece of string? White string?
spiznet - 01 Jul 2007 04:13 GMT
> On Jun 29, 1:05 am, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:> The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is the most
> > terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000 times smaller than
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>       I have difficulty visualizing this animal. Does it look like a
> piece of string? White string?

We have several of these monster crows on this Google discussion site.
One is named Marc E. Verhoevenne.
Also there is one Eddy Conrdd, bone monster crow.
Beware and be aware!!
Radium - 01 Jul 2007 04:18 GMT
> Does it look like a
> piece of string?

It looks like any mammal's worst innate nightmare -- and it is.
 
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