Quantum theory states that observation crates a relaity. i.e. Quantum
object is represented by its wave function until some one looks at
it.At that time, wave function representing an object collapses and
quantum object [i.e. photon,electron etc) takes definite state.
Hence here is the question. What does observation means? Is it human
observation or observation by any creature?
If cat or a dog looks at a photon passing through a Young's double
slit setup what will be the pattern on the screen? Will there be an
interference pattern or a particle pattern?
Daniel A. Morgan - 30 Aug 2004 05:54 GMT
> Quantum theory states that observation crates a relaity. i.e. Quantum
> object is represented by its wave function until some one looks at
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> slit setup what will be the pattern on the screen? Will there be an
> interference pattern or a particle pattern?
Your statement about Quantum theory is not universally valid. It is
only valid of a small set of Quantum theory interpretations and those
that promote those views have rarely, if ever, claimed a sentient being
on a single planet was required. A magnet does a great job of collapsing
the wave function of an electron ... even when no one is looking.

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Funland - 30 Aug 2004 19:31 GMT
Actually what you are talking is just philosophical one.
1) If it is not observed by human, but by a cat or dog, it is impossible to
know what has happened. ONLY if your cat can speak any human language and
with scientific training (plus ability to do scientific research).
2) Before or after your observation, you don't know what is going on inside
the target under research. You know only the phenomena when you are
observing it. How can you know that what is the state before or after your
observation.
3) But in practical sense, you must induce something into the system in
order to observe something from an extremely small systems of bodies. So you
will affect its states. For example, you send a gamma ray to see its
behavior.
> Quantum theory states that observation crates a relaity. i.e. Quantum
> object is represented by its wave function until some one looks at
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> slit setup what will be the pattern on the screen? Will there be an
> interference pattern or a particle pattern?
Igor - 31 Aug 2004 02:14 GMT
> Quantum theory states that observation crates a relaity. i.e. Quantum
> object is represented by its wave function until some one looks at
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> slit setup what will be the pattern on the screen? Will there be an
> interference pattern or a particle pattern?
Collapse of the wave function is still a controversial issue. It is
more or less an ad hoc addition to the theory and many people still
find it somewhat ugly. Frankly, there are a lot of physical processes
occuring on the quantum level all the time, that no one ever sees, yet
no one really doubts that they are actually occuring. So I think that
the whole concept of the importance of the observer in quantum
mechanics is a bunch of nonsense. And the fact that it keeps making
its way into popular scientific literature only makes it worse.
Andr? Michaud - 31 Aug 2004 12:53 GMT
> > Quantum theory states that observation crates a relaity. i.e. Quantum
> > object is represented by its wave function until some one looks at
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> mechanics is a bunch of nonsense. And the fact that it keeps making
> its way into popular scientific literature only makes it worse.
The sad part is that, the sources of all that crap involve even the
highest moral autorities in the physics community.
Even the great Wheeler (yes, Feynman's mentor) contributed all his
life to this madness.
Just locate a copy of DISCOVER of June 2002, and read article titled
"Does the Universe Exist if We're Not Looking?", page 44.
Wheeler explains how he is convinced that far stars blink off and on
as he blinks his eyes and that by looking a them in the right way,
we may be able to change the past.
No doubt his eyes emit gamma that instantly get to the end of the
universe and back to give him control.
At long last, we finally have the explanation of action at a distance.
André Michaud