According to Planck's theory:
Energy per unit volume per unit frequency is given by:
Sv = 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]
Since the energy of a photon is all kinetic, and kinetic energy is
proportional to temperature, and temperature
is proportional to pressure (for an ideal gas),
then the force exerted on a real particle, with rest mass, by
an electromagnetic photon, is proportional to Sv.
Holding frequency,f, constant, and invoking a photon that moves faster
than the speed of light ( a posulated gravitational force carrier-in
reality there will be 2 bound photons to give spin 2 for this
carrier)with speed v, we can write:
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
The gravitational force carrier moves fast!
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 13 Dec 2004 10:05 GMT
David Bohm's version of quantum mechanics can be
summed up as follows:
dQ/dt = f(x,t)
velocity of a particle depends instantaneously on the position of
another particle at a certain time
This is at odds with notions of causality.
However if we write:
dQ/dt = f( x, t - a small increment in t ) and assume a signal passes
from one particle to another, causality is restored to the universe.
When a real particle changes its position, it stops blocking
gravitatonal force carriers along the line that joined it to a second
real particle, and that second real particle reacts to the
increase in flux.This is the origin of correlated photon
polarizations.Also,because the speed of gravity is 10^21 m/s,
and it takes an atom about 10^-8 seconds to absorb a photon,
we can say that correlated polarizations would no longer exist
at a photon separation of 10^13 metres or greater (it would take the
gravitational force carrier 10^-8 seconds to travel this distance to
cause correlations).10^13 metres is about 100 times the distance of the
Earth to the Sun.So to measure
the breakdown in photon polarization correlation we need to
look for photons from pions that have split into correlated photon
pairs in space,photonswhich have been redirected to Earth by strong
gravitational fields - and photons that have
had their polarization changed by passage through a gas,dust etc.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 13 Dec 2004 21:12 GMT
The idea that the EM force carrier and the gravitational force carrier
can be considered to be a gas of radiation following a Planck blackbody
spectrum would also suggest that the
EM force of attraction between two opposite charges is caused by a
pushing force.The EM force of repulsion would have to be due to the
effect charges have on the structure of space itself (which would
reduce the transfer of energy from force carriers to one side of a
spherical charge).This probably amounts to saying that
charges affect some surrounding medium of particles which scatter force
carrying particles.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 14 Dec 2004 13:33 GMT
Particles with rest mass moving faster than light could
only exist in space-time if they somehow obeyed the usual laws of
gravity.
A particle moving in a circular orbit can be described by
v^2 / r = g
For a bigger value of v at the same radius a bigger value of
g and hence a bigger force are required.The particle speed
is given by E/B.To make the particle orbit faster we
take away some B and some rest mass with it.The particle travels faster
with a smaller rest mass but the same total mass because
a faster moving particle with a smaller rest mass
interacts with more mass-causing particles
(in the medium it is moving through) per unit time.
But because there is less B the mass-causing particles
are not bound tightly and the volume
of the orbiting particle increases , allowing it to trap
more gravitational force carriers from space and to
experience an increased force which keeps it in orbit.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 14 Dec 2004 23:29 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With a wavelength 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times greater it is
1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed
by a spherical charge { probability proportional to
tan^-1[(L1 - 2L2)/ d ] ( L1/L2 cos theta )
where L2 is radius of sphere and L1 is wavelength of force carrier -
deduced using idea that electrically neutral bosons are made from one
positive and one negative charge which oscillate and have to pass
through a spherical "slit"}.
Combining the amplitude squared and the wavelength factor gives a
reduction in intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 15 Dec 2004 11:18 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With an amplitude averaging 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times smaller it must
be 1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed by a
spherical charge (the amplitude will be a measure of how positive and
negative charges are seperated within the electrically neutral bosons,
and hence of how
unscreened a charge is and how able it is to interact with the
charges of a larger spherical charge such as a proton).
Combining the amplitude squared and the amplitude gives a reduction in
intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 14 Dec 2004 22:32 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With an amplitude averaging 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times smaller it must
be 1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed by a
spherical charge (the amplitude will be a measure of how positive and
negative charges are seperated within the electrically neutral bosons,
and hence of how
unscreened a charge is and how able it is to interact with the
charges of a larger spherical charge such as a proton).
Combining the amplitude squared and the amplitude gives a reduction in
intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 14 Dec 2004 23:25 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With a wavelength 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times greater it is
1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed
by a spherical charge { probability proportional to
tan^-1[(L1 - 2L2)/ L1 ] ( L1/L2 cos theta )
where L2 is radius of sphere and L1 is wavelength of force carrier -
deduced using idea that electrically neutral bosons are made from one
positive and one negative charge which oscillate and have to pass
through a spherical "slit" at different angles relative to the "slit"}.
Combining the reduction for the amplitude squared and the wavelength,we
get a reduction in intensity for gravity
of 7 x 10 ^ -39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 14 Dec 2004 23:29 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With a wavelength 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times greater it is
1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed
by a spherical charge { probability proportional to
tan^-1[(L1 - 2L2)/ d ] ( L1/L2 cos theta )
where L2 is radius of sphere and L1 is wavelength of force carrier -
deduced using idea that electrically neutral bosons are made from one
positive and one negative charge which oscillate and have to pass
through a spherical "slit"}.
Combining the amplitude squared and the wavelength factor gives a
reduction in intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 14 Dec 2004 23:49 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With a wavelength 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times greater it is
1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed
by a spherical charge { probability for absorption proportional to
speed}
Combining the amplitude squared and the wavelength (speed) factor gives
a reduction in intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 14 Dec 2004 23:50 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With a wavelength 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times greater it is
1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed
by a spherical charge { probability for absorption proportional to
speed}
Combining the amplitude squared and the wavelength (speed) factor gives
a reduction in intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 15 Dec 2004 00:10 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With an amplitude averaging 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times smaller it must
be 1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed by a
spherical charge (the amplitude will be a measure of how positive and
negative charges are seperated within the electrically neutral bosons,
and hence of how
unscreened a charge is and how able it is to interact with the
charges of a larger spherical charge such as a proton).
Combining the amplitude squared and the wavelength factor gives a
reduction in intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 15 Dec 2004 00:22 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With an amplitude averaging 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times smaller it must
be 1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed by a
spherical charge (the amplitude will be a measure of how positive and
negative charges are seperated within the electrically neutral bosons,
and hence of how
unscreened a charge is and how able it is to interact with the
charges of a larger spherical charge such as a proton).
Combining the amplitude squared and the wavelength factor gives a
reduction in intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 15 Dec 2004 00:58 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With a wavelength 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times greater it is
1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed
by a spherical charge { probability proportional to
tan^-1[(L1 - 2L2)/ d ] ( L1/L2 cos theta )
where L2 is radius of sphere and L1 is wavelength of force carrier -
deduced using idea that electrically neutral bosons are made from one
positive and one negative charge which oscillate and have to pass
through a spherical "slit"}.
Combining the amplitude squared and the wavelength factor gives a
reduction in intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
alistair@goforit64.fsnet.co.uk - 15 Dec 2004 19:03 GMT
force of gravity/force of electricity =
{10^-38 = 8pih/v^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}divided by
{ 8pih/c^3 x f ^ 3 / [e ^ (hf/kT) - 1]}
v = 10^21 m/s
Using a more accurate value of Fg/Fe ( 7 x 10^-39)
we get v = 5.7 x 10^21 m/s.
This speed makes sense for the following reason:
The gravitational force carrier has the same energy as the electric
carrier but if it has a speed 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8
times faster than light then for the same number
of wavelengths it must have (3 x 10^8/ 7 x 10^21) times the
amplitude, for its electric and magnetic field vectors to have the same
total energy as the electric force carrier ( it is less energetic per
unit length).Squaring the amplitude gives the intensity.
So the gravitional force carrier has an intensity (3 x 10^8/ 7 x
10^21)^2 times less than the electric force carrier.
With an amplitude averaging 7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8 times smaller it must
be 1/ (7 x 10^21/ 3 x 10^8) times less likely to be absorbed by a
spherical charge (the amplitude will be a measure of how positive and
negative charges are seperated within the electrically neutral bosons,
and hence of how
unscreened a charge is and how able it is to interact with the
charges of a larger spherical charge such as a proton).
Combining the amplitude squared and the amplitude gives a reduction in
intensity for gravity of 7 x 10^ - 39.
(essentially I am saying that the electric and gravitational forces
between particles with rest mass are caused by electromagnetic waves
and gravitational waves.