Why lepto-quarks look like points
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Jack Sarfatti - 16 Jan 2005 18:33 GMT On Jan 16, 2005, at 6:57 AM, Paul J. Werbos, Dr. wrote:
At 10:37 PM 1/15/2005, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
Strong short scale warping of space is essential to explain the deep inelastic electron scattering data. You miss the boat completely ignoring warp effects in my opinion. Indeed dark energy strongly warps spacetime on a small scale (distinct from its large scale coarse grained properties.
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"Hi, Jack!
I need to understand more precisely what you are referring to here.
'Way back in the early 1970s, they told me that all particle-on-electron scattering experiments were consistent with the QED model of a zero-radius electron without a need to account for other effects."
I am explaining WHY. Remember h/mc is size of the virtual electron-positron virtual photon "dressed" cloud. As soon as momentum transfer is ~ 2h/mc you get real pair creation so that you cannot tell what is what. The deep inelastic data I think has momentum transfers >> 2h/mc when the point-like structure shows up. At low energy < 1Mev/c scattering transfers the electron is a fuzzy ball of effective size 10^-11 cm - only at much higher magnification do you see it explicitly as a "point" from the effect I am describing.
"I assume this story may have been modified very slightly to say we need to account for the whole electroweak model. (By "radius" I do NOT mean where the Coulomb field exists... only the radius of the charge source. This is not the same thing as the so-called "classical radius.")."
The "classical radius" is (1/137) Compton wavelength. At low energy scattering you cannot resolve less than this Compton fog because you create real electron-positron pairs. It's only at much more powerful deep inelastic scattering transfers that you punch through and even the three quarks look like points (unified lepto-quarks). In my model the electron is a G* ~ 10^40G from /\zpf core micro-geon of radius e^2/mc^2 ~ 1 fermi = 10^-13 cm surrounded by virtual electron-positron screening plasma out to ~ h/mc ~ 10^-11 cm. In deep inelastic probes by electrons of electron or hadrons via virtual spacelike photon exchange the effective size is the CIRCUMFERENCE of the micro geon at fixed physical radius e^2/mc^2 for scattering momentum transfer p
Roughly, the effective size is (1 - (8pi/3)/\zpf(e^2/mc^2)^3p/h)^1/2(e^2/mc^2)
Where the zero point exotic vacuum dark energy core of the electro-quark micro-geon of Wheeler's "Mass without mass" pure vacuum Bohm hidden variable solution is
The electron geon shrinks to a point from extreme space warping by its zero point energy core when
(1 - (8pi/3)/\zpf(e^2/mc^2)^3p/h) = 0
at p ~ h/(10^-17 cm)
This requires the exotic vacuum core parameter to be
(8pi/3)/\zpf(10^-13)^3(10^-17)^-1 = 1
/\zpf ~ (3/8pi)10^(39 - 17) cm^-2 ~ 10^23 cm^-2
i.e. roughly speaking this is the BEAUTIFUL RESULT!
/\zpf = (h/mc)^-2
which makes a lot of sense since it is the exotic vacuum virtual plasma e+e- cloud at 10^-11 cm that is CAUSING the extreme space warp! That is I DERIVE 10^-17 ~ 10^-18 cm or so from Einstein's
Guv + /\zpfguv = 0
where low energy micro-geon Wheeler "Mass without mass" size is e^2/mc^2 = 1 fermi, with exotic vacuum virtual electron-positron plasma cloud out to h/mc = 10^-11 cm gives the critical scattering probe impact parameter as 10^-17 cm where the incredibly shrinking electron geon ZPF wormhole stealth cloaks itself to look like a vanishing point!
"Are you saying that more recent experiments are inconsistent with that?"
No.
"I have heard some noises about people developing "preon" models of the electron as a bound particle. I can think of good theoretical reasons to want to do that... but is there actual empirical data contradicting the zero radius model, and suggesting an actual "radius"? If so, I would very much appreciate a URL or arXiv.org reference to a really coherent review (as readable as possible) of those new experiments."
I don't read silly preon theory papers. I am only using the old SLAC data from the 70's or so.
"I have to admit I am a bit surprised. 10**13 cm would be large enough ... isn't that about what nucleons are? And weren't the scattering experiments of the 1960s plenty good enough to measure (or "see") that kind of radius?
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/on-line/electron/section1/properties.asp
One curious aspect: if the upper bound on electron radius today is 10**-18, and if it all seems to follow simple linear QED rules beyond that inner core radius, then the energy in the Coulomb field outside that inner core exceeds the total mass-energy of the electron. Either the inner core has negative mass-energy, or there are additional negative terms outside the core."
The zero point energy of virtual electron-positron plasma is negative as shown by Peter Milonni in "The Quantum Vacuum". This follows from Fermi statistics - the anti-commutation rules of the Dirac theory. So it is consistently a pretty picture showing that Bohm was right and Bohr was wrong on the possibility of spacetime visualization of quantum processes. All the Peres stuff is wrong. Copenhagen is wrong.
Wheeler's old attempt to use Einstein's Vision works once the direct gravity of the dark energy is used. That was what Wheeler missed in the 1950's for obvious reasons. It took 50 years to discover dark energy - important for all scales. As Above, So Below.
zzbunker@netscape.net - 17 Jan 2005 07:06 GMT > On Jan 16, 2005, at 6:57 AM, Paul J. Werbos, Dr. wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > scattering experiments were consistent with the QED model of a > zero-radius electron without a need to account for other effects." But, the only known electron on particle scattering in the early 1970's was on electron on subatomic particle.
Since then everybody from Hawking to Bell to Bill Gates to Queen Elizabeth to Australian miners lost in the South Pole, to GPS Voyager Space Craft to the transit of the plant Mecury across the solar face, to thermal arrays on the ocean floor, to stealth aircraft photographers to robotic-beachball video of Martian valley's redish tint, to air skiers in the Himalays, to exploding Space Shuttles, to collapsing ski scapers, to laser scatter off jet windshields, to Tsunami reflections off of San Fransico harbor, to traffic jams on the New Jersey Turnpike, to Condo Developers in Death Valley, to missed Episodes of The Disney Channel's "Donald Duck Does Eqypt" have shown that QED scattering theory is not only wrong, it's even worse, it's California wrong.
tausyn - 03 Feb 2005 00:43 GMT Jack Sarfatti wrote: <snop>
is it because they're so small?
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tausyn
Jay R. Yablon - 03 Feb 2005 15:28 GMT For a number of years, I have been doing independent research into the question of why the Fermions have the masses they have. During the past two months I believe I have made a breakthrough with respect to revealing and predicting the lepton masses based squarely on the standard electroweak model. I will try in this Email to very briefly summarize my results. Please let me know if you would like me to Email you two papers further detailing these results. I start with the experimental predictions and work back to the underlying theory.
If you take the sum of the electron masses over the three observed generations, this sum turns out to be given within experimental error by m(e) + m(mu) + m(tau) = v[e^2 + e^4][1 + e sin thetaW], where e^2 = 1/137.036 is the electromagnetic coupling at low probe energy, v = 246,220 MeV is the Fermi vacuum, thetaW is the weak mixing angle, and m(e) + m(mu) + m(tau) = 1883.16 +0.29 / -0.26 MeV is the experimentally-observed mass total for the three electrons. The Fermi vacuum v and electromagnetic coupling e are known with fair precision; m(tau) which is the error-controlling term in the mass and sin thetaW are less-accurately known. If you plug this mass range into this formula (get out a calculator and try it), it is simple to see that this mass range predicts a mixing angle of .223 149 < sin^2 thetaW < .226 523, which seems to be right in the middle of what people have found and actually straddles the two extremes of this NuTeV anomaly that has received some attention these days.
If one takes the sum of the neutrino masses over the three generations -- which are found in my research to be non-zero -- this sum turns out to be predicted by m(e-neutrino) + m(mu-neutrino) + m(tau-neutrino) = v[e^4][1 + e sin thetaW]. This is the same formula as for the electrons, but with the e^2 removed. This is because e^2 couples to the charge Q=-1 of the electron, and the neutrinos have no charge. The e^4 couples to lepton number, which is L=1 for both the electron and the neutrino, so this is in both formulae. The range of 223 149 < sin^2 thetaW < .226 523 set out in the last paragraph leads to the prediction that m(e-neutrino) + m(mu-neutrino) + m(tau-neutrino) = 13.64 MeV, and the particle databases indicate that the upper bound on the tau neutrino mass is m(tau-neutrino) < 18.2 MeV, so this prediction is also within experimental uncertainty. Because the mu-neutrino is experimentally limited to be < 0.19 MeV and the electron neutrino is negligible, this leads to a second prediction that 13.45 MeV < m(tau-neutrino) < 13.65 MeV. It is my hope that this result can aid in the hunt for a neutrino mass, by setting out a narrow band in which to look for this mass. And, once m(tau-neutrino) is pinned down, we will know where to look for m(mu-neutrino), and after that, for m(e-neutrino).
The theoretical foundation for this begins with parity violation in the weak interaction. I start with what at first seems an odd idea, that the weak interaction violates parity not only in the current / vector boson interactions, but in the mass term as well. Now, you will immediately realize that having gamma-5 Dirac matrices in the mass term would wreak havoc, but that is exactly the point. In exactly the same way that the standard electroweak model constructs a parity-conserving electromagnetic current and a massless mediating photon out of parity-violating weak and hypercharge interactions, I am able to construct a parity conserving electroweak mass term out of parity-violating weak and hypercharge mass terms. But for the mass term, the symmetry constraints are even tighter. At the end of the day in the standard model, the W+/- and the Z still mediate parity-violating interactions and it is only the photon A which mediates a parity-conserving interaction. For the mass term, getting rid of all the gamma-5 ends up very tightly constraining the mass term. After restoring parity to electromagnetic current, mixing neutral currents via sin theta-W, and breaking symmetry following the usual standard model prescription without deviation, and additionally imposing parity conservation on the mass term, the total m(e) + m(mu) + m(tau) above is revealed to be ve^2, which falls just under 5% short of the observed mass, as you can readily calculate. This term, ve^2, you will note, is dominant term in the electron formula recited above.
Then, the question becomes how to find the final 5% of this mass total. Now, this first 95% arises not from Higgs perturbations, but from the ground state of the vacuum. The scalar particle involved is a massless scalar photon, not a massive Higgs. When we turn to examine perturbations from the ground state, and start to look at the Higgs, it turns out that a second electroweak scalar, which is a w3 associated with the I3 weak isospin generator, has a wavefunction which already been normalized through symmetry breaking and eliminating the gamma-5 to a value e sin thetaW. Coupling of the mass to this particle -- which we then associate with the Higgs, turns ve^2 into v[e^2][1 + e sin thetaW]. This extra factor brings m(e) + m(mu) + m(tau) to within 0.75% of what is observed, which again, is easy to calculate.
For the remaining mass, looking back on how we got to this point, we note that when the ground state mass term e^2 was revealed, the couplings for the parity violating weak and hypercharge interactions were forced out of the mass term. That is, only parity-conserving charges (no gamma-5) contribute to ground state mass. So, we need to look for another parity-conserving charge to give this final 0.75% of the mass to the electron. QCD color is out of the question, because the leptons don't interact strongly. So, we turn to lepton number and hypothesize that this is a parity-conserving charge with its own coupling gL and massless vector boson(s). We then ask, what is the magnitude of the gL lepton coupling needed to yield the last 0.75% of the electron mass total m(e) + m(mu) + m(tau)? It turns out that g-L = e^2 = 1/137.036 is precisely the magnitude of g-L required to bring the mass prediction within experimental error. This adds a gl^2 = e^4 factor to the mass formula, yielding the final result m(e) + m(mu) + m(tau) = v[e^2 + e^4][1 + e sin thetaW] recited at the outset.
Now, in all candor, I have no idea at this point, from a theoretical viewpoint, why g-L = e^2 = 1/137.036 turns out to be exactly what is needed to predict the mass total within experimental error, though it is clearly highly desirable that g-L turns out to be related to a known coupling rather than an independent coupling. I suspect there is a deep clue in this of some sort wider unification that at the very least will incorporate lepton number formally and explicitly into the electroweak scheme, but I have no idea right now how to decipher it.
In any event, the addition of the e^4 factor for the electron completes the formula I recited at the outset, and brings the electron mass total into the range of experimental uncertainty. This e^4 also implies that the neutrino mass total is v[e^4][1 + e sin thetaW], also recited above. From this, we arrive at the 13.45 MeV < m(tau-neutrino) < 13.65 MeV prediction.
A few other items are worth noting: because the Higgs becomes associated with a w3 scalar wavefunction, the Higgs mass is the same as that of this w3, and this w3 has the same mass as W+/- in the standard theory, So, mass (Higgs) = mass (W+/+) is another prediction. I know the Higgs predictions have been upwardly-revised recently, but I also know that the Higgs is often thought to shoulder the whole burden of generating mass and my results suggests that for the leptons, the scalar photon carries just over 95% of this burden (ve^2) and the Higgs only about 4% (e sin thetaW). So, the Higgs probably does not need to be as heavy as some folks believe.
You may ask why I am using the sums m(e) + m(mu) + m(tau) and m(e-neutrino) + m(mu-neutrino) + m(tau-neutrino) in the formulas I have listed. This is because, a careful analysis of bi-unitary transformations on the three-generation mass matrix reveals that one can construct these mass matrixes to leave these mass sums invariant, irrespective of the chosen magnitudes of the three real mixing angles and the one phase that come into play for three generations of electron and neutrino. In short, these low-energy-probe mass totals are mass-matrix-mixing invariants and thus give us good targets for prediction.
You may also ask why the focus on leptons and not quarks. That is simple: I am restricting myself to the standard electroweak model to try to predict masses. Quarks have color, electroweak interactions can't account for color, so we are certain leave something out if we aim to predict quark masses with electroweak theory. Leptons have no color, so it is reasonable to expect that electroweak theory may contain most or all the tools needed to predict the lepton masses. I believe my results bear this out.
While electroweak theory does not provide the tools to predict the quark masses, these results do make the very important point that only the couplings for interactions which conserve parity are revealed in the vacuum ground state mass. For leptons, this gets us over 95% of the way to an accurate mass prediction, and so we can preview that for quarks, the strong coupling gS^2 versus e^2 for leptons will be the dominant predictor of mass. This gives a rough quark-to-lepton mass ratio on the order of 16 to 1, which is not at all out of the ballpark for what is actually observed in the first generation. The top quark, of course, is off the charts, but if one looks at the mass of the top quark times the mass of the bottom quark -- which is part of the invariant amplitude for interactions between the top and the bottom, and takes the square root, this approximate 16 to 1 ratio makes sense there too. Again the formal aspects of my research are focused on lepton masses, but do lead to at least a qualitative understanding of what will need to go into quark masses.
Finally, I believe more than ever following this work that it is vital to construct the strong interaction as a parity-conserving interaction which sits across two (or more) interactions which violate parity. This may include baryon number, this may include weak isospin and hypercharge, this may include something we don't yet know about. But I have learned that non-zero rest masses are only revealed when you start out with a mass term which violates parity, and then mix together two or more parity-violating interactions to construct a parity-conserving interaction. Whether this can be done for the strong interaction apart from electroweak interactions, or whether this is central to merging these interaction together, I do not know. But, I am convinced that we must find a way to sit SU(3) QCD across two or more parity-violating interactions just as is done in the electroweak model, construct SU(3) color as parity conserving, mix the neutral currents (which may use a unitary matrix with more than one mixing angle, and may include complex phases), break the symmetry to make the gluons massless, and then eliminate all the gamma-5 from the mass term.
If you are interested in more details about this work, I have just completed a twelve-page paper summarizing my results in a little more detail, and within a few days expect to complete the finishing touches on a 115 page paper which I have prepared during the last four weeks that lays everything out in very thorough detail.
Please let me know if you would like the twelve page summary which is now fully prepared, and / or the full exposition when it is fully prepared.
Very truly yours,
Jay R. Yablon _____________________________ Jay R. Yablon Email: jyablon@nycap.rr.com
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