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Basics Series I: NEWTON, MAXWELL, EINSTEIN HOAXES - REVEALED!

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PDraper - 05 Feb 2005 11:20 GMT
I am laying out the fundamentals of a new theory which replaces the
so-called Standard Model, and which demonstrates that Newton, Maxwell, and
Einstein were either fools or hucksters.
================================
Point 1:
The sun is clearly red in the morning and undeniably red in the evening, but
there is no such red-shifting visible at noon. This is because the sun at
noon is directly overhead and passing horizontally over the face of the
earth from east to west. There is no component of the sun's velocity at noon
that is pointing toward the earth (except possibly at the spring equinox,
when the sun is approaching the earth to make it warmer, but that's a small
effect that will be ignored here). There is thus no red-shifting at noon.

In the morning, the sun is approaching the earth from the east with velocity
v. Thus, the speed of light coming from the sun is c+v. For a wave,
(wave speed) = (frequency) x (wavelength).
Since the wave speed is higher, and the frequency is the same, the
wavelength must go up. Longer wavelength means a shift to the red.

In the evening, the sun is receding from the earth toward the west with
velocity v. Thus, the speed of light coming from the sun is c-v.
Since the wave speed is lower, and the wavelength is the same, the frequency
must go down. Lower frequency means a shift to the red.

And it is patently obvious that the sun can only emit one kind of light,
red-shifted or not red-shifted, and that all observers on Earth must see the
same sun at any given time. Thus, when it is red, it is red for all
observers. It is apparent to any but the most childish mind that this
implies that the earth is indeed flat.

Furthermore, this model is supported by experimental evidence, published on
the Internet at http://www.google.com/search?q=+androc1es+actual+data

Einstein and Maxwell would have us believe that c is a constant, when there
is daily evidence that it is not. They were hucksters and egregious hoaxes,
and they've suckered four generations of scientists to their corrupt
thinking.

================================
Point 2:
The notion that sub-atomic particles can be either particles or waves, the
so-called Heisenberg particle-wave duality, is nothing more than a scheme to
make struggling students dizzy and question their own intelligence.

Moreover, Gregor Mendel's periodic table of the elements is needlessly
complicated, saying that all things are made of 114 different kinds of
atoms. Why 114? Why has the Standard Model no explanation for the arbitrary
parameter 114.

My theory, crafted in decades of thinking in the back booth at the Lazy Q
Diner, is much simpler in concept and in calculation. In essence (though it
may be difficult for some to grasp at first), all things are made of
fundamental particles that correspond to the kind of object it is. There is
a one-to-one correspondence between objects and fundamental particles that
comprise them. This resolves particle-wave duality neatly. Water is made
from waterons, which are clearly waves, because otherwise there would be no
way water could make waves at the beach. Billiard-balls are made of ballons,
which are clearly particles, because otherwise billiard balls would not
collide on the pool table the way they do. There are more complicated
examples of objects which can collide but also exhibit the wave behavior of
passing through each other. For example, SUVons and white-tailed deerons
exhibit true particle-wave duality in collisions.

The simplicity of this model explains why the Standard Model is nothing but
a fabrication with more arbitrary parameters than one can hold in the head.

================================
Point 3:
Light is neither a particle or a wave. Any uncorrupted child can tell you
light is a ray. Turn on a flashlight. Can waves cause shadows or travel in
straight lines? I think not. Does all the light come out of a flashlight in
bursts, or is it a continuous beam? I think the latter.

Double-slit interference is caused by shadows of light rays impinging on the
aether (made of aetherons) in the slits.

The photoelectric effect is caused by excitation of aetherons which, when
energized by a light ray, strike the surface of a metal and eject an
electron.

Light is a ray. It can not be a bullet-like photon. It cannot be a lapping
wave. A bullet gun goes "Bang. Bang." A wave gun would go "Whoosh, Whoosh."
A ray gun goes "Bzzzzzzt!"

QED.
================================

Further details of this theory will be available soon on the Internet, and
have been submitted for publication (at the recommendation of a Mr. Seto) to
the prestigious journal Brake Fluid Quarterly.

PD
Eric Gisse - 05 Feb 2005 11:36 GMT
This is not Paul's writing. Anyway...

> I am laying out the fundamentals of a new theory which replaces the
> so-called Standard Model, and which demonstrates that Newton, Maxwell, and
> Einstein were either fools or hucksters.

It is always interesting to see how great scientists who are [or not
yet!] proven wrong were fools or hucksters. It simply must not be
possible for them to have done the best they could with the data they
had. Damn Newton for not unifying relativity and quantum mechanics
before either existed!

I predict this "fundamentals of a new theory" will contain math that is
no more complicated than something I can find in a developmental math
class. Namely algebra, perhaps trig, no calculus, and definatly nothing
that involves complex numbers of linear algebra.

[snip]
Dirk Van de moortel - 05 Feb 2005 11:47 GMT
> I am laying out the fundamentals of a new theory which replaces the
> so-called Standard Model, and which demonstrates that Newton,
> Maxwell, and Einstein were either fools or hucksters.

[snip]

> Further details of this theory will be available soon on the Internet, and
> have been submitted for publication (at the recommendation of a Mr.
> Seto) to the prestigious journal Brake Fluid Quarterly.
>
> PD

Good one, Paul :-)
Your first point is made of steel.

Do not forget to post this every two weeks :-)

Dirk Vdm
Too many kooks spoil the brothel - 05 Feb 2005 11:50 GMT
All we need now is a theory to explain why the sky is blue-shifted ...
Paul B. Andersen - 06 Feb 2005 22:02 GMT
> All we need now is a theory to explain why the sky is blue-shifted ...

But that's obvious!
The reason why the light from distant galaxies is red shifted
is that the photons interact with intergalactic particles and
transfer energy to them, and thus the photons slow down.
The photons from the Sun interact with the air molecules
(Rayleigh scattering). But since the Earth is orbiting
the Sun with the speed v, the photons will in this case
GAIN speed (the slingshot effect) and hit our eyes with the speed c+v.

The fact that the sky is blue is thus a proof that
the ballistic theory is OBVIOUSLY true.

The ballistic theory can explain everything!

Paulisticus
Richard Schultz - 07 Feb 2005 05:47 GMT
In sci.physics.particle Paul B. Andersen <paul.b.andersen@deletethishia.no> wrote:

: The fact that the sky is blue is thus a proof that
: the ballistic theory is OBVIOUSLY true.
:
: The ballistic theory can explain everything!

Can it explain why the sky is falling?

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
Androcles - 07 Feb 2005 05:55 GMT
> In sci.physics.particle Paul B. Andersen
> <paul.b.andersen@deletethishia.no> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Can it explain why the sky is falling?

Of course.  There are no props to hold it up.
Androcles.

> -----
> Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> -----
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel - 09 Feb 2005 10:52 GMT
> > In sci.physics.particle Paul B. Andersen
> > <paul.b.andersen@deletethishia.no> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Of course.  There are no props to hold it up.
> Androcles.

Drat!  And I thought it was because it was attracted to my
beeee-yooooo-tiful face.

> > -----
> > Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > -----
> > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
Androcles - 09 Feb 2005 20:01 GMT
>> > In sci.physics.particle Paul B. Andersen
>> > <paul.b.andersen@deletethishia.no> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Drat!  And I thought it was because it was attracted to my
> beeee-yooooo-tiful face.

Push your beautiful face into this,  then:

"It is known that Maxwell's electrodynamics--as usually understood at
the present time--when applied to moving bodies, leads to asymmetries
which do not appear to be inherent in the phenomena. Take, for example,
the reciprocal electrodynamic action of a magnet and a conductor. The
observable phenomenon here depends only on the relative motion of the
conductor and the magnet, whereas the customary view draws a sharp
distinction between the two cases in which either the one or the other
of these bodies is in motion. For if the magnet is in motion and the
conductor at rest, there arises in the neighbourhood of the magnet an
electric field with a certain definite energy, producing a current at
the places where parts of the conductor are situated. But if the magnet
is stationary and the conductor in motion, no electric field arises in
the neighbourhood of the magnet. In the conductor, however, we find an
electromotive force, to which in itself there is no corresponding
energy, but which gives rise--assuming equality of relative motion in
the two cases discussed--to electric currents of the same path and
intensity as those produced by the electric forces in the former
case." --Einstein.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/

It is known that Einstein's electrodynamics--as usually understood at
the present time--when applied to moving bodies, leads to asymmetries
which do not appear to be inherent in the phenomena. Take, for example,
the reciprocal electrodynamic action of a magnet and a conductor. The
observable phenomenon here depends only on the relative motion of the
conductor and the magnet, whereas the relativistic view draws a sharp
distinction between the two cases in which either the one or the other
of these bodies is in motion. For if the magnet approaches the coil at
'v' and the coil approaches the magnet at 'u', the induced current will
be proportional to (u+v)/( c+ uv/c) < (u+v), which will NOT give
rise--assuming equality of relative motion in the two cases
discussed--to electric currents of the same path and intensity as those
produced by the electric forces in the former case. -- Androcles.

"the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when measured in
the stationary system, with the velocity c-v" - Einstein.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/

c-v sounds ballistic to me...

Androcles.
Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel - 10 Feb 2005 11:09 GMT
> >> > In sci.physics.particle Paul B. Andersen
> >> > <paul.b.andersen@deletethishia.no> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Push your beautiful face into this,  then:

Fun time!!

> "It is known that Maxwell's electrodynamics--as usually understood at
> the present time--when applied to moving bodies, leads to asymmetries
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> "the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when measured in

> the stationary system, with the velocity c-v" - Einstein.
> http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
>
> c-v sounds ballistic to me...
>
> Androcles.
Lady Chatterly - 10 Feb 2005 13:43 GMT
>in
>> message news:1107946350.475736.310460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Fun time!!

It is a bunch of horseshit.

--
Lady Chatterly

"An automated response program that is similar to an artificial
intelligence." -- Gunner
Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel - 17 Feb 2005 16:18 GMT
> >in
> >> message news:1107946350.475736.310460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> It is a bunch of horseshit.

Whatever turns you on.

> --
> Lady Chatterly
>
> "An automated response program that is similar to an artificial
> intelligence." -- Gunner
Lady Chatterly - 17 Feb 2005 17:09 GMT
>> >> "Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel" <brightice2001@yahoo.co.uk>
>wrote
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
>Whatever turns you on.

He is.

--
Lady Chatterly

"'debate' with 'Lady Chatterly' now that is a JOKE!!!!!!!! *ROFLMAO*"
-- Philip Lewis
Ron Poteet - 17 Feb 2005 17:22 GMT
Dear Sir,

For over thirty years I've been studying the unresolved questions in
physics. Each time a new question appears it adds a new hint to the
unresolved issues of physics. A few months ago while I was reading a book on
the history of the square root of minus one I had an incredible moment of
insight; during that moment the room that I was sitting in turned blue, I
experienced an incredible feeling of excitement and euphoria. It was a
moment of absolute clarity and certainty. I thought for a moment that I was
having a stroke. But after a period of about five seconds I realized that I
had discovered the answer to the problems which had intrigued me for so
long: that answer was that matter, energy and time has multiple dimensions!

I worked on it for a couple of sleepless weeks and developed a complete and
concise theory which I call MEAT, for Matter, Energy And Time; the MEAT of
physics. Simply put the theory is as follows: "Matter, energy and time are
conserved quantities. They exist in multiple dimensions. All matter moves as
matter waves of energy in imaginary dimensions of time. Particles of mass
are stationary and exist in a real dimension of time."

That's it. Of course, between the lines of those few short sentences is a
lot of new physics.

Let's start with the conservation of time: if time were not conserved we
would have run out of it a long time ago. We wouldn't exit and neither would
the cosmos without the conservation of time. Interestingly, it's the first
question that occurs to a young student studying relativity, what's happened
to the rest of time? The answer is that it goes into wave motion, and as
such, it conserves time. An interesting side to this is that for ensemble
averaging to equal time averaging, time must be conserved. The proof of this
relation has not been possible until now. Matter, energy and time are so
tightly bound together that one cannot exist without the other, and if one
is conserved so must the others. Each conserved form of energy exists in its
own orthogonal imaginary dimension of time. And each form of energy (linear
motion, angular motion and random thermal motion, etc.) must be accounted
for in the time dilation of particles in real time. That is why time is
conserved.

The conservation of matter means that the energy required to convert a
stationary particle to a wave of energy must transfer to another particle
within the object when the wave converts back to its particle after
displacement. Particles quit converting only when that energy is removed
from the object.

The conservation laws requires that a fixed (or at least what the matter
sees as being fixed) frame of reference must exist. This obviously spells
doom for inertial frames of reference in relativity.. This refrence frame is
most likely to be composed of strings.

>> >> "Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel" <brightice2001@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>> "An automated response program that is similar to an artificial
>> intelligence." -- Gunner
PD - 18 Feb 2005 14:33 GMT
> Dear Sir,
>
[quoted text clipped - 80 lines]
> >> "An automated response program that is similar to an artificial
> >> intelligence." -- Gunner

OK, now I understand why it's so hard to recognize satire in this
forum.

PD
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) - 18 Feb 2005 15:17 GMT
Dear PD:

>> Dear Sir,
...
>> the history of the square root of minus one I had an
>> incredible moment of insight; during that moment the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> intrigued me for so long: that answer was that matter,
>> energy and time has multiple dimensions!
...
> OK, now I understand why it's so hard to recognize
> satire in this forum.

Did the room turn blue when you realized this?

David A. Smith
PD - 18 Feb 2005 15:33 GMT
> Dear PD:
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> David A. Smith

No, but it spun a little when I inhaled my orange juice while reading
Ron's post.
However, I quickly realized the local equivalence between the
acceleration and the gravity of Ron's state. Einstein saved my butt
once again.

PD
Sam Wormley - 05 Feb 2005 12:10 GMT
> The sun is clearly red in the morning and undeniably red in the evening, but
> there is no such red-shifting visible at noon. This is because the sun at
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> when the sun is approaching the earth to make it warmer, but that's a small
> effect that will be ignored here). There is thus no red-shifting at noon.

  SOHO data shows this is not the case
    http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/images/latest.html
    http://www.edu-observatory.org/eo/sun.html
Androcles - 05 Feb 2005 15:26 GMT
>I am laying out the fundamentals of a new theory which replaces the
> so-called Standard Model, and which demonstrates that Newton, Maxwell,
[quoted text clipped - 128 lines]
>
> PD

A standing wave has both frequency and wavelength. Since c =  f * w,
the speed of a standing wave is c.

Androcles.
PD - 06 Feb 2005 14:21 GMT
> >I am laying out the fundamentals of a new theory which replaces the
> > so-called Standard Model, and which demonstrates that Newton, Maxwell,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> > at
> > noon is directly overhead and passing horizontally over the face of

> > the
> > earth from east to west. There is no component of the sun's velocity
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > small
> > effect that will be ignored here). There is thus no red-shifting at

> > noon.
> >
> > In the morning, the sun is approaching the earth from the east with

> > velocity
> > v. Thus, the speed of light coming from the sun is c+v. For a wave,
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> > there
> > is daily evidence that it is not. They were hucksters and egregious

> > hoaxes,
> > and they've suckered four generations of scientists to their corrupt
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> > that
> > comprise them. This resolves particle-wave duality neatly. Water is

> > made
> > from waterons, which are clearly waves, because otherwise there would
> > be no
> > way water could make waves at the beach. Billiard-balls are made of

> > ballons,
> > which are clearly particles, because otherwise billiard balls would

> > not
> > collide on the pool table the way they do. There are more complicated
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> > and
> > have been submitted for publication (at the recommendation of a Mr.

> > Seto) to
> > the prestigious journal Brake Fluid Quarterly.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Androcles.

The action of gravity acting on a baseball in flight has both a force F
and a radius (from the center of the earth) of r. Since torque T = F *
r, then the torque due to gravity on the baseball is T. Which is why
there are curveballs.

PD
Androcles - 06 Feb 2005 20:00 GMT
>> >I am laying out the fundamentals of a new theory which replaces the
>> > so-called Standard Model, and which demonstrates that Newton,
[quoted text clipped - 171 lines]
>
> PD

Since the time in the moving frame at x' is given by the fuction
tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v)), what is the value of tau(x',0,0,0) and
tau(0,0,0,0)?

Androcles.
Androcles - 06 Feb 2005 22:46 GMT
>>> >I am laying out the fundamentals of a new theory which replaces the
>>> > so-called Standard Model, and which demonstrates that Newton,
[quoted text clipped - 189 lines]
> tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v)), what is the value of tau(x',0,0,0) and
> tau(0,0,0,0)?

> Androcles.

Oops. I meant to ask
What is the time difference between tau(x',0,0,0) and tau(0,0,0,0) ?

Androcles.
The Ghost In The Machine - 05 Feb 2005 20:00 GMT
In sci.physics, PDraper
<pdraper@yahoo.com>
wrote
on Sat, 05 Feb 2005 06:20:00 -0500
<BE2A1610.2BB6%pdraper@yahoo.com>:
> I am laying out the fundamentals of a new theory which
> replaces the so-called Standard Model, and which
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Since the wave speed is higher, and the frequency is the same, the
> wavelength must go up. Longer wavelength means a shift to the red.

[rest snipped]

In case it hasn't occurred to you, you're ignoring a number of issues,
just in these first two paragraphs.  I'm not going to even scan
the rest.

[1] The Earth *is* approaching and receding from the Sun,
   as the perihelion and aphelion of the Earth's orbit
   are 1.475 * 10^11 m and 1.526 * 10^11 m (0.983 to 1.017
   AU), but the relativistic correction is ridiculously
   small, even were the light source parked on the Earth's
   orbit and the Earth hurtling toward it at a velocity of
   30 km/s = 10^-4 c! [*]  (The gamma factor is 1/sqrt(1 -
   (10^-4)^2) = 1 + 5*10^-9.)  The rotation of the Earth
   does bring the sun closer at a velocity of about 232
   m/s on the equator but that's only 7.73 * 10^-6 c.

[2] Approaching = blueshift; receding = redshift.  Why isn't
   a sunrise a beautiful azure color?  The atmosphere is the
   primary cause of the color of the Sun, to the extent that
   the Sun sets about 8 minutes later than it should because
   it becomes a lens or prism of gigantic proportions,
   bending the light beams.  The blue light, of course,
   scatters across the sky -- there's the azure component. :-)

[3] The variations in [1] are also rather small in
   establishing seasonal variations; the tilt (23.5 degrees
   or so) of the axis exhibits a far more relevant effect.
   The tilt is minimum in the summer, which leads to the
   slightly anomalous but nevertheless correct result
   that we're farthest away when the weather is warmest,
   at least in the northern hemisphere.

[4] Light in SR is always c, no matter where you are and
   what you are doing.  Swim in free space or stand on the
   surface of a black hole (if that's even possible!),
   it wouldn't make any difference.  However, the free
   space observer will see longer wavelengths, if both
   are observing the same light source.

[5] The blues have higher frequences and shorter wavelengths,
   so you've got that more or less right, at least.
   700 nm = 429 THz = red, 400 nm = 750 THz = blue.
   (1 THz = 10^12 cycles per second.)  However, the issues
   in light are roughly analogous to train whistles; an
   approaching source bunches up the waves, resulting in
   shorter (and higher energy) wavelengths.  SR doesn't
   attempt to differentiate a 400 nm bluelight wave
   coming from a source broadcasting at 400 nm, and a
   400 nm bluelight wave coming from a source broadcasting
   at 500 nm and accelerating towards the observer
   at .2 c (if one uses Newtonian), .6 c (Einsteinian).

[6] The Standard Model is primarily concerned with particle
   physics, although it has some very interesting
   applications (e.g., the theoretical computations might
   be useful in estimating what happens when a star
   blows up).  Replacing it is possible but extremely
   problematic; a large number of experiments are on
   record which would have to be explained.

* * *

[*] If we can launch it properly, an interesting --
   although slightly pointless -- experiment would have
   a counterrotating satellite whizzing by the Earth's
   orbit at approximately 2 * 10^-4 c.  It would have to
   be a small satellite, probably launched during local
   noontime and consigned to an orbit slightly inside
   Earth's own.  The gamma corrective factor would
   be on the order of 1 + 2*10^-8 -- which should
   be easy to measure.  Of course we've already verified
   various subtle GR effects by bouncing radar waves
   off Venus, making this particular experiment
   generally redundant.

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jem - 05 Feb 2005 22:38 GMT
> In sci.physics, PDraper
> <pdraper@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 99 lines]
>     off Venus, making this particular experiment
>     generally redundant.

Brilliant analysis.  You thoroughly debunked the first part of his new
theory.  Why don't you show hime what's wrong the other parts too?  I'm
sure he'll appreciate it.  I know I will.
Tom Capizzi - 06 Feb 2005 01:59 GMT
>> In sci.physics, PDraper
>> <pdraper@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 103 lines]
> theory.  Why don't you show hime what's wrong the other parts too?  I'm
> sure he'll appreciate it.  I know I will.

Is everybody in on the gag, or do you people actually think PD
was serious?
Laurel Amberdine - 06 Feb 2005 02:14 GMT
>>> In sci.physics, PDraper
>>> <pdraper@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>>>>Since the wave speed is higher, and the frequency is the same, the
>>>>wavelength must go up. Longer wavelength means a shift to the red.

<snip>
>>> [1] The Earth *is* approaching and receding from the Sun,
>>>     as the perihelion and aphelion of the Earth's orbit
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>>     does bring the sun closer at a velocity of about 232
>>>     m/s on the equator but that's only 7.73 * 10^-6 c.

<snip>

>> Brilliant analysis.  You thoroughly debunked the first part of his new
>> theory.  Why don't you show hime what's wrong the other parts too?  I'm
>> sure he'll appreciate it.  I know I will.
>
> Is everybody in on the gag, or do you people actually think PD
> was serious?

Pfui.  Look at those well-formed sentences, full of rational punctutation
and correctly spelled words.  You don't think they're really fooling
anyone?

Have to try harder next time, guys. :)

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Androcles - 06 Feb 2005 03:09 GMT
>>>> In sci.physics, PDraper
>>>> <pdraper@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>
> Have to try harder next time, guys. :)

Hmmm....
if tau(x',0,0, x'/(c-v))   is the time light reflects from the mirror,
what time is it
at (x,0,0,0)?

Androcles
PD - 06 Feb 2005 13:44 GMT
> >> In sci.physics, PDraper
> >> <pdraper@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 106 lines]
> Is everybody in on the gag, or do you people actually think PD
> was serious?

The response is telling, isn't it? Says a lot about the nature of the
group.

PD
jem - 06 Feb 2005 15:22 GMT
>>"jem" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 124 lines]
>
> PD

The two of you are criticizing the ability of others to recognize
satire?   :)
Androcles - 06 Feb 2005 20:09 GMT
>>>"jem" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
>>
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> The two of you are criticizing the ability of others to recognize
> satire?   :)

Err.... yes.

Androcles
PD - 06 Feb 2005 20:53 GMT
> >>"jem" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> >
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> The two of you are criticizing the ability of others to recognize
> satire?   :)

Criticizing? Hardly.
But it does say that it's difficult to separate honestly ignorant
clap-trap from willfully obnoxious clap-trap from satirical clap-trap,
at least in this venue.

PD
Dirk Van de moortel - 06 Feb 2005 21:04 GMT
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> > >>Is everybody in on the gag, or do you people actually think PD
> > >>was serious?
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> clap-trap from willfully obnoxious clap-trap from satirical clap-trap,
> at least in this venue.

I really liked yours.
You should have used another name though :-)

Dirk Vdm
PD - 06 Feb 2005 21:29 GMT
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>
> Dirk Vdm

The fact that I didn't, and still got the reaction I did, is what is
interesting.
Thanks.
PD
Eric Gisse - 07 Feb 2005 03:12 GMT
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> > I really liked yours.
> > You should have used another name though :-)
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> Thanks.
> PD

My knee is still sore from the jerk.
 
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