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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Particle Physics / March 2005



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Question regarding Hawking radiation

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Zippy - 26 Mar 2005 16:54 GMT
Hawking says that a black hole will eventually evaporate. This happens due
to the spontaneous emergence of particle / anti-particle pairs near the
event horizon. In some cases, the anti-particle part of the duo gets pulled
into the black hole, therby reducing the mass of the black hole, and the
real particle travels off into the universe to be observed as radiation. My
question is, why does.t the converse happen just as often, why doesn't the
real particle sometimes go into the black hole contributing to its mass,
and the ant-particle emitted into the universe to anhilate with a real
particle?
h.poropudas@luukku.com - 30 Mar 2005 12:58 GMT
> Hawking says that a black hole will eventually evaporate.

I think that in the present Universe Hawking's radiation DOES
NOT EXIST, but I'am not sure did it exist or did it not exist
in the primordial Universe "before" when those mass exchage
places (two per "radiation periphery") started to work ?

Hannu
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) - 30 Mar 2005 14:21 GMT
Dear h.poropudas:

>> Hawking says that a black hole will eventually
>> evaporate.
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> places (two per "radiation periphery") started
> to work ?

There was a thread in sci.astro earlier (less than a week), where
"dual black holes" (not exactly the same as a classical BH), was
created, did absorb particles, and did evaporate via EM (Hawking)
radiation.  Hawking radiation appears to be a vaild,
experimentally reproducable mechanism for BH evaporation.  Think
again.

David A. Smith
h.poropudas@luukku.com - 31 Mar 2005 12:31 GMT
> Dear h.poropudas:
>
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>
> David A. Smith

I took a look about that thread you mentioned. I think that
it has nothing to do with Hawking's radiation.

Hannu
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) - 31 Mar 2005 14:11 GMT
Dear

>> Dear h.poropudas:
>>
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> I think that it has nothing to do with Hawking's
> radiation.

Let's see... "like a black hole"
<QUOTE>
This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion, billionths
of a second, can be detected because it absorbs jets of particles
produced by the beam collisions.
<END QUOTE>
Gold nucleii have been slammed together before, and the
characteristic particles are well known.  Once the energy is
increased to this level, those particles are reduced by a factor
of 10.

"like Hawking radiation"
<QUOTE>
The Brown researcher thinks the particles are disappearing into
the fireball's core and reappearing as thermal radiation, just as
matter is thought to fall into a black hole and come out as
"Hawking" radiation.
<END QUOTE>
I do note they don't discuss (in that article) about measuring or
observing an anomalous temperature increase.
URL:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Not much more salient to this point in:
URL:http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0501068
... or the underlying paper.

You are entitled to your opinion.

David A. Smith
 
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