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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Particle Physics / April 2005Just do it!
One of the big failures of modern science is failing to confront the existing and coming Energy crisis. for instance: the failure to produce cheap fusion or the failure to reproduce photosynthesis (or even better than the natural photosynthesis) This should have been confronted decades ago and the sooner the better TIA Y.Porat ---------------------- > One of the big failures of modern science is Your parents birth control. here is a reply of a serious scientist ok we know long ago what is your real worth. Y.Porat ps please bypass the clown idiot! ------------------------------------ > One of the big failures of modern science is Politics, not science. > failing to confront the existing and coming Energy crisis. It will become known to the mob that oil is in much larger abundance than currently told. Not only that, but planetary bodies will be filled with the stuff. Perhaps even the Sun. > for instance: > the failure to produce cheap fusion [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Y.Porat > ---------------------- > It will become known to the mob that oil is in much larger abundance > than currently told. Not only that, but planetary bodies will be filled > with the stuff. Perhaps even the Sun. Those silicon based lifeforms that live on oil instead of water really love the stuff. > It will become known to the mob that oil is in much larger abundance > than currently told. Not only that, but planetary bodies will be filled > with the stuff. Perhaps even the Sun. So tell me, What is the temperature of the Sun? What's that you say? You say, "It's too hot to allow molecular bonds."? Ohhh, bummer. I had my hopes way up for some of that solar crude. -Mark Martin >>It will become known to the mob that oil is in much larger abundance >>than currently told. Not only that, but planetary bodies will be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -Mark Martin There are some small, strongly bound molecules which exist in the sun and are seen in solar spectra. josh halpern > There are some small, strongly bound molecules which exist in the sun > and are seen in solar spectra. They can only exist in the tenuous solar atmosphere. There's no crude oil in the solar spectrum. It would be of no use to us if there was. -Mark Martin > One of the big failures of modern science is > > failing to confront the existing and coming Energy crisis. > > for instance: > the failure to produce cheap fusion Perhaps I'll just knock together a fusion reactor in my lunch break. i didnt say it is an easy job it may be take decades! yet it is rather from that reason that ....... need i go on explaining?? yet i have a feeling that not enough people are aware about the gravity of that situation. 2 it seems to me that the problem is more a *motivation problem* rather than ability problem. all the best Y.Porat ----------------------- www.geocities.com/dedanoe/etg.html www.geocities.com/dedanoe/etg.pdf Ain't that solution enough > www.geocities.com/dedanoe/etg.html > www.geocities.com/dedanoe/etg.pdf > > Ain't that solution enough If it could work, which it can't. It is another perpetual motion machine. > it seems to me that the problem is more a *motivation problem* > rather than ability problem. It's both. Politicians have short lives and this is a hard problem. Nuclear (eg fission) power is a possible solution while we wait for fusion but it's politically tricky. > One of the big failures of modern science is > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This should have been confronted decades ago > and the sooner the better What is the critical need for artificial photosynthesis? As for nuclear fusion, this has been worked on for, yes, you guessed it, DECADES. There's a world of difference between our wishing for cheap, endless energy, and it being possible to deliver. But let's say that next week the nut gets cracked, and everyone on Earth has all the disposable energy they can possibly make waste to. What happens then? What happens is that several billion people start pumping heat into Earth's atmosphere which peviously had been dormant within atomic nuclei for eons. It'd throw the whole system way out of thermal equilibrium in a big hurry, and it would be a CATASTROPHE. Please, be mindful of what you wish for... -Mark Martin Energy will never be free!! even if the prodiction is for nothing (just a thought experiment) then the delivery and other overhead will never make it for nothing now you took it to the other extreem just immagin e 'my extreem: even just the price of oil will climb up to 100$per barel (some people actually see it just round th e corner there is a sound probability that the whole world economy is going to collaps now just think a bout the possible consequenses hunger unemploiment internatuinalk chaos do you remember why second world started? it was because of the terrible ecomomic situatiion that started with the big crisis in the US now that was just a tiny sample of about is threatenes to be we are not talking about turning our world into a paradise we have to see that it does not turn to be another hell. that will be good enough an acheivement. so there is something *between* ie on the midd way between what i visualise and what you visualise. all the best Y.Porat ----------------------- >> One of the big failures of modern science is >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > -Mark Martin Whatever you do, someone won't want it / like it, so votes will be lost and policies will be changed back again. The majority of general public do not want change, and do not want anything that might be potentially unsafe, however well controlled. e.g. the French had (IIRC) about 70% of their power from nuclear, but because of public opinion, they are being wound down and back to oil/gas. Here in UK was similar (not so large percentage) but nuclear stations not being built and old ones being decommissioned. Now they are proposing an enormous wind farm down the outer edge of the Scottish Western Isles (mainly because there hardly ever no wind there!!), but it has to be a *big* farm as there is no cable from the isles to the mainland, so unless the wind farm is really large (hundreds and hundreds of turbines), then the cost of laying a cable will not be profitable.  Signature-- Ron Jones Don't repeat history, see unreported near misses in chemical lab/plant at http://www.crhf.org.uk it is not ocational that i mentioned fusion and photosynthesis fusion is not *fission * th e alpha particle is not radioactive photosynthesis should be the most 'enviromental friendly' that is possioble and i brough t just two examples there are a lot more hydroelectricity and other more -------------- Y.Porat ------------------------- In sci.physics, Y.Porat <maporat@012.net.il> wrote on 2 Apr 2005 22:53:27 -0800 <1112511207.722785.20680@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>: > One of the big failures of modern science is > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Y.Porat > ---------------------- I'm not sure if it's basic research's job to produce cheap electric or motive power. Of course, IINM were fusion easy it would have been done by now, on at least a prototype scale. Signature#191, ewill3@earthlink.net It's still legal to go .sigless. >One of the big failures of modern science is > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >This should have been confronted decades ago >and the sooner the better Yes, we scientists are a bunch of lazy slackers. So why don't YOU get cracking and show us how it's done? What's stopping YOU? Steve Turner 1 get into my site : http://www.geocities.com/porat_y/mypage.html see there the alpha particle it is a clue about how to produce it i was working on that model about 10 years and you sir instead of sitting like aparasite and mumbling about quarks and virtual particles and W bosons my model tells you you are waisting your time so instead comon and earn your bread and butter by doing something to earn it!! 2 the enery problem solution is not a one mans job it is a global team job !! got it ?? and the sooner you get it - the better. (unlerss you are working for some oil company and having a good time with it) not noticing that the ground under your feet starts to shake and burn. all the best Y.Porat ----------------------------------- |
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