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A theory, by Ross A. Finlayson

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Ross A. Finlayson - 24 Sep 2005 10:31 GMT
Hi,

I'm here on sci.physics to say hello.

How are you?

I'm appropriately inequipped.  My name name is Ross A. Finlayson.  Yes,
I do have a viewpoint on what is the fundamental nature of realirt,
natural physics.

For that you might research my previous posts to sci.physics.

By the way, I'm coming over from having conquering mathematical logic.

For me, I get to look back and say it's my theory.  Would you care for
a GUT, a TOE?  Welcome to THE null axiom theory.

So, if you have an axiomless system:  I claim it in the name of
physics, after having provided the fundamental mechanism for it to
operate.  If you don't, then you're incomplete and inconsistent.

So, prove something from nothing.  Can you not?  Then, ...

I'd like to close with a nice quote:

Marshal Law:
"I know... I just love hearing it."
"And if you can't join them... beat them!"
"Haven't found any yet."

Ross F.
Ross A. Finlayson - 24 Sep 2005 11:17 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Ross F.

Hi,

Listen, as objectively as I can tell you, from my perspective you will
accept the null axiom theory as the source of analytical results.

Otherwise the theory is incomplete and inconsistent.  There is one
theory, the null axiom theory.

If you very much don't care for that, I mathematically disprove you.

I'm appropriately equipped.

Ross
donstockbauer@hotmail.com - 24 Sep 2005 12:02 GMT
Why don't you just remain an idiot crackpot on sci.math?

Dirk Vdm
> I'm here on sci.physics to say hello.

Why don't you just remain an idiot crackpot on sci.math?

Dirk Vdm

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The cost of free will developing in complex systems
Dirk Van de moortel - 24 Sep 2005 11:53 GMT
> Hi,
>
> I'm here on sci.physics to say hello.

Why don't you just remain an idiot crackpot on sci.math?

Dirk Vdm
donstockbauer@hotmail.com - 24 Sep 2005 12:01 GMT
Why don't you just remain an idiot crackpot on sci.math?

Dirk Vdm
> I'm here on sci.physics to say hello.

Why don't you just remain an idiot crackpot on sci.math?

Dirk Vdm

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The cost of free will developing in complex systems
donstockbauer@hotmail.com - 24 Sep 2005 12:10 GMT
Why don't you just remain an idiot crackpot on sci.math?

Dirk Vdm
> I'm here on sci.physics to say hello.

Why don't you just remain an idiot crackpot on sci.math?

Dirk Vdm

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The cost of free will developing in complex systems.

Just like this post.  Boy, that free will is irritating, isn't it???
Someone like the Dickster is irritated by it, and the damn stuff in
other people just won't behave for him!!!!  Try this:

Dick commands "Andromeda galaxy, rotate the other way!"

'Iron core of the Earth, go to absolute zero." instantly!!!!!!!"

Dirk Van de moortel, get a life and learn what ewe can control, and
what ewe can't control.  And in the grand tradition of sci.physics,
we'll throw in an expletive for free:  You idiot.

Boy, that made me feel better.  Always helps one's psyche to treat
people like sh.t, I tell you.  Have a nice day.  That's an order.
donstockbauer@hotmail.com - 24 Sep 2005 12:35 GMT
Once upon a time there evolved a civilization.  It was going along
pretty well until it developed a lot of very complicated technology and
the trouble is that it went extinct because the killer ape level people
never learned to cooperate with one another.  They were on the verge of
forming a Global Brain when a few noncooperators ruined it for
everybody.  The noncooperation extended all the way from terrorism down
to the sci.physics usergroup.  It seems that they might have made it if
they had only heeded the lessons in Douglas R. Hofstadter's book
"Metamagical Themas", the last several chapters on what cooperation can
do.  But instead they choose to fight and dissent and expose their bad
toilet training by their infantile level of interacting with one
another. But it made no vas differens because there are
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 other solar systems out to the causal
horizon, and plenty of other civilizations merely came in and took
their place.  Amen.
David McAnally - 24 Sep 2005 16:53 GMT
>Hi,

>I'm here on sci.physics to say hello.

>How are you?

>I'm appropriately inequipped.  My name name is Ross A. Finlayson.  Yes,
>I do have a viewpoint on what is the fundamental nature of realirt,
>natural physics.

>For that you might research my previous posts to sci.physics.

>By the way, I'm coming over from having conquering mathematical logic.

This was where you kept chanting the mantra that ZF was inconsistent, but
you could never prove it.  Apparently you mistakenly think that if you
chant any such mantra often enough, it becomes true.

Guess what.  Your chanting did not prove inconsistency when you started,
and it still doesn't.  The only place where mathematical logic was
conquered by you is in your own deluded imagination.

-----
Androcles - 24 Sep 2005 17:01 GMT
Guess what.  Your chanting did not prove inconsistency when you started,
and it still doesn't.  The only place where mathematical logic was
conquered by you is in your own deluded imagination.
PHUCKWIT!
Androcles
The Ghost In The Machine - 24 Sep 2005 18:00 GMT
In sci.physics, Ross A. Finlayson
<raf@tiki-lounge.com>
wrote
on 24 Sep 2005 02:31:48 -0700
<1127554308.042681.143080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Ross F.

OK, I'll bite.  Explain the photoelectric effect.  That should be
simple enough.

(For the purposes of this discussion, the photoelectric effect
indicates that the dislodgment of electrons is *frequency*-dependent,
rather than intensity-dependent.  In short, one can throw all of
the red light (within reason) onto a sensitized surface and get
not a single electron, but very weak ultraviolet light dislodges
them readily -- assuming appropriate materials, which I for one
would have to look up.)

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It's still legal to go .sigless.

Uncle Al - 24 Sep 2005 18:14 GMT
[snip crap]

> So, if you have an axiomless system:  I claim it in the name of
> physics, after having provided the fundamental mechanism for it to
> operate.  If you don't, then you're incomplete and inconsistent.
[snip more crap]

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(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
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Richard Schultz - 25 Sep 2005 08:22 GMT
In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:

: For me, I get to look back and say it's my theory.  

Let me guess:  your theory is that brontosauruses were thin and one
end, very, very much thicker in the middle, and thin again at the far end.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Apparently, you take me for a complete fool."
"Yeah -- more or less."
                Bob & Ray, "Garish Summit"
David McAnally - 26 Sep 2005 14:12 GMT
>In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:

>: For me, I get to look back and say it's my theory.  

>Let me guess:  your theory is that brontosauruses were thin and one
>end, very, very much thicker in the middle, and thin again at the far end.

Yes.  There seem to be many similarities between Ross A. Finlayson and
Anne Elk.

-----
Richard Schultz - 26 Sep 2005 14:57 GMT
In sci.physics.particle David McAnally <D.McAnally@i'm_a_gnu.uq.net.au> wrote:
:>In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:

:>: For me, I get to look back and say it's my theory.  

:>Let me guess:  your theory is that brontosauruses were thin and one
:>end, very, very much thicker in the middle, and thin again at the far end.

: Yes.  There seem to be many similarities between Ross A. Finlayson and
: Anne Elk.

I can hardly wait to hear his theory about Marcel Proust.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
of government."
Ross A. Finlayson - 26 Sep 2005 15:02 GMT
> >In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -----

sci.math_20041229.rtf:Truth is that which is not false.  The basic
truism is the identity and tautology.  Then, the abstract observer is
externalized, to consider that there is more than one truth, yet in the
style of Ouroboros all the same truth.  With using set theory as a
mathematical foundation, we can explore the essence of truth with what
we deem as rigorous and empiricist methodology, to explain mathematics
where within mathematics all mathematics are concrete.
sci.logic_20050514.rtf:In the null axiom theory, the ur-element is
dually minimal and maximal, so it would have the maximal information
content.  Its existence implies all true things.  The snake eats its
tail.
sci.math_20040926.rtf:Seen from different perspectives, the real
numbers actually vary in their composition.  It's like the blind men
and the elephant, except different:  the elephant is the snake, hippo,
and zebra.  In this case the elephant is an elephant, but if you need a
snake it'll do.
sci.math_20050214.rtf:Here there be dragons, the snake eats its tail.
sci.math_20050420_b.rtf:It's the Ouroboros, the snake eats its tail,
you codefine point along with the infinite dimensional dually oriented
vector space, for convenience, orthogonal.
Richard Schultz - 26 Sep 2005 17:00 GMT
In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:

: Proust in his first book wrote about, wrote about,
: Proust in his first book wrote about, wrote about,
: He wrote about. . .

DING.

Start over.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Compared with Man, we have to admit that the insect does not display what
we can describe as intelligence. But don't feel too proud about that, because
where there is no intelligence, there is also no stupidity."
Ross A. Finlayson - 27 Sep 2005 15:36 GMT
> In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:
>
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>
> -----

Infinite sets are equivalent.

The universe is infinite, infinite sets are equivalent.

Colder than absolute zero is hotter than the Sun.

sci.math_20050606_b.rtf:http://arago4.tn.utwente.nl/stonedead/movies/holy-grail/scene-04.html
sci.math_20050606_b.rtf:http://arago4.tn.utwente.nl/stonedead/movies/holy-grail/scene-21.html
sci.math_20040722.rtf:The Arthur reference was to "Monty Python and the
Holy Grail", scene five.  Villagers want to execute through immolation
a woman charged of witchcraft, where she was framed.  Bedevere, who
becomes Arthur's scientific advisor, helps the villagers in a train of
logic to understand that witches are to be burned, wood also burns so
witches are made of wood, that wood floats, Arthur helps them in
contributing that a duck also floats, so Bedevere convinces them that
the trial of the woman is to compare her weight against a duck.  So
they balance the weight of  the woman against that of a duck, it is
equal, sealing her guilt in the assembled eyes.  Bedevere then asks
Arthur who he is to know so much in the ways of science, and upon
recognition Bedevere is knighted and further accompanies Arthur and his
companions on his quest.

Marcel PrOOst?  I don't understand the reference, also also wik.

The closer you look at the particles of the standard model, the smaller
they get.  The fundamental particles are infinitesimal.

The universe is infinite.

Ross

--
"Also, consider this:  the unit impulse function times
one less twice the unit step function times plus/minus
one is the mother of all wavelets."
Richard Schultz - 28 Sep 2005 13:17 GMT
In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:

:> : Proust in his first book wrote about, wrote about,
:> : Proust in his first book wrote about, wrote about,
:> : He wrote about. . .

: Marcel PrOOst?  I don't understand the reference, also also wik.

Given that your first theory was that brontosauruses were thin at one
end, much, MUCH thicker in the middle, and thin again at the far end, your
second theory must necessarily be that fire brigade choirs seldom sing
songs about Marcel Proust.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time." -- The French Knight
Ross A. Finlayson - 29 Sep 2005 03:25 GMT
> In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> -----
> "Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time." -- The French Knight

There can be only one consistent, complete, strong, and concrete
theory:  the null axiom theory.

Then, casually, you can talk about your theory of brontosauri, and if
your vocabulary includes only thin, thick, middle and either end then,
yes, your theory of brontosauruses is accurate, and your brontosaurs
are well-defined, but you have only five words in your vocabulary.
Your absurdities aside.

The null axiom theory is dually universal.  That is where basically the
glass is half full and half empty.

If a goal in reasoning is a theory, or basically a belief system, that
is at once consistent and complete, then particularly to be complete in
the sense of Goedel, according to Goedel, it can't be finitely
axiomatized, in the sense of some finite non-empty collection of
non-logical axioms.

In particle physics, the more energy that is used to determine the size
of the fundamental particles, the smaller they appear to be.  That gets
into mathematical infinities and infinitesimals as basically physical
things, and the requirement of mathematical tools of the infinite and
infinitesimal to address those things, leading to revised and expanded
understandings of such things as the nature of the continuum.

As well, that gets into the examination of the items in the universe
with some completed totality that is the universe being an obvious
example that infinite sets are equivalent.

In reference to the Kantian Ding-an-Sich, the Thing-in-Itself or
Ouroboros, and the Hegelian Being and at once Nothing, those technical
philosophical notions with direct import to the mathematically logical
ur-element of the null axiom theory, and as well a variety of ancient
and longstanding theories of the Universe and Void, there is a theory.

Ross
Richard Schultz - 29 Sep 2005 05:45 GMT
In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:

: Then, casually, you can talk about your theory of brontosauri,

Correction:  *your* theory about brontosauruses, not mine.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time." -- The French Knight
Ross A. Finlayson - 29 Sep 2005 10:02 GMT
> In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> -----
> "Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time." -- The French Knight

That's spurious.

I want a theory that consistent, not proving false things, complete,
proving true things, and strong enough to be concrete, and that would
be a theory of everything.

In an almost serious duly diligent way, I don't know anybody else who
promotes an axiomless system of natural deduction with dialethically
paraconsistent ur-element, sets, numbers, or geometrical or physical
things as primary objects, post-Cantorian ubiquitous ordinals, and no
paradoxes.

Ross

--
"You see, Baudolino?  You, too, can gain wisdom." - Hypatia
"I see that Ross has succeeded in altering the language of sci.math.
It's enough to make one weep." - R. Poe
Richard Schultz - 29 Sep 2005 13:29 GMT
In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:

: In an almost serious duly diligent way, I don't know anybody else who
: promotes an axiomless system of natural deduction with dialethically
: paraconsistent ur-element, sets, numbers, or geometrical or physical
: things as primary objects, post-Cantorian ubiquitous ordinals, and no
: paradoxes.

In other words, brontosauruses are thin at one end, much, MUCH thicker in
the middle, and thin again at the far end.

Proust in his first book wrote about, wrote about. . .

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
of government."
Ross A. Finlayson - 29 Sep 2005 15:58 GMT
> In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
> of government."

Just because a moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at you...

The parrot?

That's insinuating, but it is a funny sketch, not exsanguinating.

http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/activity/h/humor/Special/Monty.Python/parrot

Why are there three space dimensions?

Ross
Richard Schultz - 29 Sep 2005 17:29 GMT
In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:

: Why are there three space dimensions?

I hope that you will recover fully from your current bout with
E. Henry Thripshaw's disease.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"I love people.  But I don't suffer fools gladly."
                -- Deborah Lipstadt
Ross A. Finlayson - 29 Sep 2005 23:57 GMT
> In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> "I love people.  But I don't suffer fools gladly."
>                 -- Deborah Lipstadt

Why should I care about some camp Brit-com from the 80's?  Back then I
was watching Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, and A-Team,
moron.  Of course:  every day I watched Tom and Jerry:  comedia, e
tragedia.

I don't even care for that improv show with the guy from the Drew Carey
show, Drew Carey.  It just, never made me laugh.

I got a cool medical book the other day, "The Modern Home Physician."
1939, Completely Revised.

sci.math_20041129_b.rtf:Ken, 2 + 2 = 4.  To Scandinavians herring is a
way of life, to Americans it's a Monty Python sketch.  I saw this the
other day, it's haunting, yet funny:  http://www.khaaan.com/ .  It gets
more haunting and less funny.
rec.martial-arts_20050602_b.rtfBack in the day, everyone had seen
"Monty Python and the Holy Grail."  Everyone.  Young or old, from all
walks of life, everyone with a television and VCR in the '80's saw
Monty Python and the Holy Grail.  Everyone.

Why don't you try Saturday Night Live instead.  Consider, for example,
the Church Lady.  "Was it... could it be... SATAN?"  Frankenstein:
"FIRE BAD.  Aaanh."  Now is the time on sprockets when we dance.

Ha ha ha ha.

Anyways, the universe is infinite, and infinite sets are equivalent.

If the fundamental point particles', in terms of quarks',  masses
decrease as they are more closely examined, extrapolate using your keen
deductive mind that perhaps they are smaller than that.

Ross

--
"You don't have to be cruel to be kind." - Spacehog
Androcles - 30 Sep 2005 01:41 GMT
| > In sci.physics.particle Ross A. Finlayson <raf@tiki-lounge.com> wrote:
| >
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
| --
| "You don't have to be cruel to be kind." - Spacehog

and with that rant...
*plonk*

Androcles.
Ross A. Finlayson - 30 Sep 2005 02:33 GMT
> and with that rant...
> *plonk*
>
> Androcles.

I'm actually kind of happy about that, from you.

Basically, Androcles here is saying that he has initiated the ancient
and memorable condition of "to kill-file" my USEnet posts.  In that
way, he has turned on his own personal SPAM filter and shall no longer
have to endure the sight of my posts, to USEnet, from when a .killfile
file contained the e-mail addresses of people that tin, trn, rn, slrn,
and other newsreaders consulted to omit posts.  That's what "plonk"
means.

Good!  Androcles, I've never heard jack from you, you hypocrite who is
reading this message.  May I interest you in the relativistic
nanogyroscope array mass-spring system gedanken?  Too bad.

I use no filters.

Now then, thanks for reading my post.  I write here to sci.physics
because I would like to share with you my opinion.  I hope you
understand why I might see that as self-centered, because I'm trying to
impose an opinion on you that you might not yet have, that happens to
coincide with mine.

The universe is infinite.  Atoms are totally small, but physicists talk
about the states of matter that comprise them.

Warm regards,

Ross
 
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