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Mark Stevens - 06 Oct 2003 12:19 GMT
For everyone that always ask what "The Theory of Everything" should be
make an effort to get your hands on a book by Mark McCutcheon, The
final Theory. It is a masterful paradigm shift that deserves a closer
look. If you are man or woman enough to admit that there are serious
flaws in the existing Standard Model and all its subset of models from
General Relativity to Quantum Mechanics, then you will do everything
you can to get your hands on The Final Theory, your life will never be
the same again. No doubt, there will be many questions that will arise
from his book but his proposed model goes a long way further in
explaining everyday existence than all the other models put together.
The model presented is logical and simple, just the way it should be
without elaborate and fancy postulates, mathematical models and
abstract thinking that cannot even be comprehended by the Einsteins'
and Hawkings' of this world.

It may not be the final theory of everything, but it presents a
quantum leap (of several magnitudes) in thinking that is bound to
change the physical representation of our Universe forever. The
question is, are you prepared to be left behind or are you prepared to
let go of your paradigms and be at the forefront of the new science.
Starblade Darksquall - 09 Oct 2003 23:02 GMT
> For everyone that always ask what "The Theory of Everything" should be
> make an effort to get your hands on a book by Mark McCutcheon, The
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> question is, are you prepared to be left behind or are you prepared to
> let go of your paradigms and be at the forefront of the new science.

Sounds tempting, but I'll have to look at a review. I don't want to
buy a book just to find out it was written by a crank or a crack pot.

(...Starblade Riven Darksquall...)
Paul R. Mays - 10 Oct 2003 04:19 GMT
> > For everyone that always ask what "The Theory of Everything" should be
> > make an effort to get your hands on a book by Mark McCutcheon, The
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>
> (...Starblade Riven Darksquall...)

So ...that means you prefer other's to decide what
information you will consider....   Hummmm

Bet a lot of folks left that nastie kook book Philosophiae
naturalis principia mathematica sitting on the shelves for
a long time waiting for reviews ( which took a bit longer
back then )
Cody R. Perkins - 22 Oct 2003 05:20 GMT
I have read the book. This not a book of fiction or crazy ideas. It
presents a theory that very well possibly could one day shatter
standard theory currently in use. It solves mysteries of outer space
and even a few mysteries with Pioneer spacecraft. It utterly brings
down Grand Unified Theoritical work of last several decades. I first
bought the book to read out of curiousity. However after reading it
and thinking over it and testing a few ideas I have been unable to
find any flaw with it. Sciences current description of the 4 forces
(gravity, electro-magnetism, Weak Nuclear Force, Strong Nuclear Force)
have been flawed for years. Final Theory shows how much these forces
are not understood by science today. Dark Energy, Dark Matter, Super
String, GUTS, Big Bang, Antimatter, and more are exposed as the flawed
theories they have always been. The very nature of matter and atoms
have been overlooked for the last century, but this book shows why
this has happened. Implications of this new theory are huge. Finally,
it brings new questions about origins of matter and energy in all of
the universe. This book is a must read for anyone who claims to love
science and seeks answers for physical laws function as they do.
MorituriMax - 22 Oct 2003 06:12 GMT
> I have read the book. This not a book of fiction or crazy ideas. It

> the universe. This book is a must read for anyone who claims to love
> science and seeks answers for physical laws function as they do.

Really... pretty hard to read it if you DON'T TELL US WHAT THE TITLE
IS OR WHO WROTE IT!  Don't you think?
nick spann - 22 Oct 2003 17:33 GMT
> > I have read the book. This not a book of fiction or crazy ideas. It
>  
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> Really... pretty hard to read it if you DON'T TELL US WHAT THE TITLE
> IS OR WHO WROTE IT!  Don't you think?

Hmmm, try "The final Theory" by Mark McCutcheon

http://www.thefinaltheory.com
nick spann - 22 Oct 2003 18:03 GMT
> > I have read the book. This not a book of fiction or crazy ideas. It
>  
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Really... pretty hard to read it if you DON'T TELL US WHAT THE TITLE
> IS OR WHO WROTE IT!  Don't you think?

Hmmm...try "The Final Theory" by Mark McCutcheon

http://www.thefinaltheory.com
Ed Keane III - 22 Oct 2003 21:21 GMT
> > > I have read the book. This not a book of fiction or crazy ideas. It
> >
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>
> http://www.thefinaltheory.com

Where the author states, "So, this website was set up to give as much
information as possible to show that the author has a firm grasp of today's
scientific beliefs before presenting the new paradigm."

Some examples:

_____________________________
Q: How can a fridge magnet cling against gravity indefinitely -- without
draining a power source?
A: It can't ... fridge magnets are impossible according to today's science.

Q: How do heavy objects rest on a tabletop without the molecules of the
table giving way and the table collapsing?
A: There is no scientifically viable explanation for this today.

Q: Why is Einstein's Special Relativity Theory so bizarre ... do we truly
live in such a strange universe?
A: Einstein's Special Relativity Theory is all a mistake.

Q: What about atomic clocks that have been flown around the world, showing
Einstein's Time Dilation effect?
A: Even Einstein's own theory shows this to be impossible.

Q: Did it really all begin with a "Big Bang" ... was all the matter in the
universe really compressed to a space smaller than an atom?
A: Of course not.

Q: Science tells us that protons are positively charged particles that are
tightly clustered together in the nucleus of an atom, but like-charged
entities also strongly repel each other in such close proximity, so why
doesn't the nucleus fly apart?
A: There is no true answer to this mystery in today's science.

Q: Ok, lots of interesting points, but if even our most basic science is
really so full of holes then why do our scientists simply ignore this and
forge ahead, inventing even more bizarre new theories to add to the fray?
A: What else can they do?
_______________________________

My own question;

Q: Would you rather read a book about physics or write one?
Gordon D. Pusch - 23 Oct 2003 04:20 GMT
>> "MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
> news:<6lolb.1760$kh1.1571@twister.austin.rr.com>...
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> draining a power source?
> A: It can't ... fridge magnets are impossible according to today's science.

Ah, yes --- So McCutcheon is Yet Another Thick-Skulled Moron who cannot manage
to learn, understand, and distinguish between the concepts of "Force" and "Work" ---
and has therefore declared that it must be _scientists_ who are stupid, not himself.  
Yet another citation of "Unskilled and Unaware Of It" is called for:

  <http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html>.

'Nuff said.

-- Gordon D. Pusch  

perl -e '$_ = "gdpusch\@NO.xnet.SPAM.com\n"; s/NO\.//; s/SPAM\.//; print;'
nick spann - 23 Oct 2003 19:22 GMT
> Ah, yes --- So McCutcheon is Yet Another Thick-Skulled Moron who cannot manage
> to learn, understand, and distinguish between the concepts of "Force" and "Work" ---
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> -- Gordon D. Pusch  

Of course you are entitled to an opinion but I do not think you are
best placed to comment without reading the book.

I always considered that the cornerstone of science was reasoned
debate. Attacking the author with such vitriol is neither expected or
warranted.
Roedy Green - 23 Oct 2003 20:01 GMT
>Of course you are entitled to an opinion but I do not think you are
>best placed to comment without reading the book.

If your quotations were accurate, they were enough to demonstrate
whomever stated them did not even understand the assertions of high
school level science. It should not be necessary to read the entire
book.  He MISREPRESENTS what science asserts.  

He is either misinformed, or a liar.  Neither are a very good grounds
for considering him a genius.

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
nick spann - 25 Oct 2003 10:59 GMT
> >Of course you are entitled to an opinion but I do not think you are
> >best placed to comment without reading the book.
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> He is either misinformed, or a liar.  Neither are a very good grounds
> for considering him a genius.

Don't assume...it makes an a.s out of U and Me.

If we all stuck our heads in the sand and refused to be open to new
ideas science would still be in the realms of myth and magic. After
reading the book you'd realise that it currently still is.

The book is a complete physical/mechanical description of the
underlying structure of matter and the Universe without resorting to
mythical energy and magical forces.

Whether the theory is right or wrong it is certainly the simplest and
most complete solution I've come across, wiping out generations of
scientific legacy and highlighting the deficiencies of modern science.

To those that have read it....Welcome to the revolution.
Les McGuire - 29 Oct 2003 09:50 GMT
> >Of course you are entitled to an opinion but I do not think you are
> >best placed to comment without reading the book.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> He is either misinformed, or a liar.  Neither are a very good grounds
> for considering him a genius.

Agreed that the Q&As listed to promote the book leave much to be
desired. But as one who has carefully read the book in its entirety, I
believe that the author is guilty only of poor marketing, not poor
scholarship.

My opinion is that in an attempt to not "give away" too much of his
thesis, he is evasive in his promotion to the point of actually being
misleading as to the actual validity of his arguments.

If you are simply looking for a justifiable excuse to not read the
book, then cite the poor promotional content.

If you are actually interested in hearing well-articulated and
thought-out reasons for questioning much of what has become assumption
in current physics, then you should definitely read the book. If
nothing else, it will make you think to come up with sound rebuttals
to his theory and new justifications for the current assumptions.

By the way, the author never asserts that current science is not
valuable for creating useful models and engineering useful devices, he
is simply saying that there has never been a truly sound PHYSICAL
explanation for the observable, modelable phenomena which we
experience every day that does not violate its own
rules and laws.

For example, in a scientific theory based in part upon the law of the
conservation of energy, he claims there has never been a good
explanation for the fact that gravity is a never-ending, seemingly
infinte force being simultaneously exerted upon everything, all the
time, and yet it has no identifiable power source upon which it is
drawing, and even if there was a power source, why doesn't it ever
drain down, and if it does, from what source is it replenished?

I think it's a legitimate question. If there is a good answer, I have
never heard it. All we have is the observable pheneomenon that matter
appears to attract matter. If I ask, "WHY does matter attract matter?
What is the PHYSICAL cause of the phenomenon?", is there a good
answer? Maybe there is, but I haven't heard it yet. All the author is
suggesting is that maybe there is an alternate explanation for the
observable phenomenon that does not require matter to exert a FORCE
upon other matter, all the time. If the same alternate explanation
also seems to explain myriad other observable phenomena without ever
self-contradicting, then that alternate explanation certainly deserves
to be explored and evaluated.

To simply dismiss him and his theory out of fear, insecurity, or
convenience would be, I think, an error in scientific method. If even
a few intelligent people (maybe that's the missing qualification!)
have read the argument and found it thought-provoking and
intellectually valuable at least, and persuasive and powerful at best,
then I would think that any true student of science, or even of the
world around us, would be interested to hear the argument from its
source and judge it based on its own merits.

I think that fear or cowardice are the only reasons that a person
would deliberately choose to remain ignorant of truth (I'm not
claiming, by the way, that this book contains "the truth." I am simply
asserting that it will help bring the honest student closer to truth,
which may be simply to re-confirm and verify that the current theories
ARE correct.)

If someone is afraid that new information just might be true and
they'd rather not know about it, then he is a coward. If he just
assumes that it CAN'T be true without even investigating at all,
especially when others who have nothing to gain by their endorsement
still assert that there is something to it, then he is a fool. Either
way he's got problems.

There is nothing in your comment that would lead me to believe you are
either a fool or a coward, so I recommend you read the book if the
topic interests you at all.

I don't know if the author is right or not, but I will tell you that I
think the book is worth the read (and the price! I loved how much it
made me think and question my own assumptions), despite the poor
marketing!

Someone asked me once: If what you knew to be true turned out not to
be, when would you want to find out about it? If your answer is, "As
soon as possible," then read this book. It will not waste your time.

Good luck, and may truth find us all.
Les McGuire

PS Part of my motivation for such a long posting is that the only
criticism I've heard to date of the book is from people who haven't
read it. I am dying to hear the qualified, educated, objective
rebuttal from someone who has read the entire book and has found not
only flaws with the author's theory, but legitimate, physical
explanations for all of the apparent problems and contradictions the
author points out in existing Standard Theory physics.

I have no interest in WHO is right. I just want to know WHAT is right.
I have no interest for the opinions of those who lash out at the
author or his theory out of fear or ignorance. No offence, Gordon
(possible the only "Totally Skilled and Totally Aware Of It" among
us!)
alejandro.rivero - 05 Nov 2003 09:01 GMT

> Of course you are entitled to an opinion but I do not think you are
> best placed to comment without reading the book.

Ok Richard let me to understand this:

-you suggest a book in a *news*group, which is a place
 for *immeddiate* discussion.
-then you do not consider that people not having read the book can
 enter to discuss about your suggestion.

So you are either:

-Trying to sell the book, plainly, or:
-Asking for other readers of the book to discuss it.

Neither of these follows from your initial message. Net time try to
state more clearly your motivations :-).

Also, in any case, a decent, chapter by chapter, review of the book
could help. You guy(s) are asking people to comment about actual
physics content but you are not putting this kind of content in the
newsgroup, that is basically a GIGO system.
alejandro.rivero - 05 Nov 2003 09:01 GMT

> Of course you are entitled to an opinion but I do not think you are
> best placed to comment without reading the book.

Ok Richard let me to understand this:

-you suggest a book in a *news*group, which is a place
 for *inmeddiate* discussion.
-then you do not consider that people not having read the book can
 enter to discuss about your suggestion.

So you are either:

-Trying to sell the book, plainly, or:
-Asking for other readers of the book to discuss it.

Neither of these follows from your initial message. Net time try to
state more clearly your motivations :-).

Also, in any case, a decent, chapter by chapter, review of the book
could help. You guy(s) are asking people to comment about actual
physics content but you are not putting this kind of content in the
newsgroup, that is basically a GIGO system.
Roedy Green - 23 Oct 2003 20:08 GMT
>_____________________________
>Q: How can a fridge magnet cling against gravity indefinitely -- without
>draining a power source?
>A: It can't ... fridge magnets are impossible according to today's science.

I'm told there is a party game that involves velcro suits.  People
fling themselves at a wall and stick.  It requires no expenditure of
effort to remain stuck.  Does this too amaze you?

Does it amaze you your coat can stay on a hook for days on end without
complaining of tiredness?

Does it amaze you that the wallpaper does not become fatigued hanging
glued to the wall for years, draining the rooms of vital energy?

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Roedy Green - 23 Oct 2003 20:14 GMT
>Does it amaze you that the wallpaper does not become fatigued hanging
>glued to the wall for years, draining the rooms of vital energy?

Humans clinging to a vine dangling over a cliff expend energy, but
they don't have to.  They could just tie themselves in.

Birds don't expend energy to cling to a branch. Their feet are
designed to lock.

A deficiency in the design of humans that they often expend effort
just to hold something still fools us into thinking that energy is
always needed just to exert a force.  Obviously it is not. You don't
need to plug in your coatrack.

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Roedy Green - 23 Oct 2003 20:28 GMT
>Does it amaze you your coat can stay on a hook for days on end without
>complaining of tiredness?

Imagine a ultra smooth fridge magnet, with some super slick surface.
Do you think it would stick or slowly slide down the fridge?

What is holding the magnet is place are tiny "hooks" -- friction.  The
pull of the magnet just pressed the surfaces together sufficiently to
let the tiny hooks engage.

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
nick spann - 01 Nov 2003 12:36 GMT
> >Does it amaze you your coat can stay on a hook for days on end without
> >complaining of tiredness?
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> pull of the magnet just pressed the surfaces together sufficiently to
> let the tiny hooks engage.

Thats amazing a so-called professional scientist offering the
description of magnetism as a pull (who's magical pulling properties
aren't disclosed of course) and hooks!!

So I presume the Planet Earth can be likened to a massive sheet of
Velcro. Luckily if I manage to peel myself free there is a helpful
magical pulling property to make sure I don't float off into space.

Keep digging that hole for standard theory boys.
Roedy Green - 01 Nov 2003 17:24 GMT
>Thats amazing a so-called professional scientist offering the
>description of magnetism as a pull (who's magical pulling properties
>aren't disclosed of course) and hooks!!

I described friction as like velcro hooks, not magnetism.   Magnets do
pull in the ordinary sense of the word. The original questioner I
don't think really felt up to some deep explanation. He needed
something very familiar.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Jordan Novak - 28 Oct 2003 03:45 GMT
> >_____________________________
> >Q: How can a fridge magnet cling against gravity indefinitely -- without
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Does it amaze you that the wallpaper does not become fatigued hanging
> glued to the wall for years, draining the rooms of vital energy?

If you would like it explained in somewhat different terms,
if you place an easily compressed substance (a finger in my
experiences, those magnets are a lot stronger than you would
think.....)  between two strong magnets, as the magnets attract each
other they will compress the substance. Mark's statement was saying
that in the process of squeezing all the life out of your finger, the
magnets are entirely unaffected,  and obviously they're squeezeing
pretty hard,  you can feel it.
Wayne McCutcheon - 22 Oct 2003 13:01 GMT
> I have read the book. This not a book of fiction or crazy ideas. It
> presents a theory that very well possibly could one day shatter
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> the universe. This book is a must read for anyone who claims to love
> science and seeks answers for physical laws function as they do.
For the benefit of the person who wanted the title and author of the
book under discussion, The name of the book is The Final Theory, and
the author is Mark McCutcheon
Thomas Cuny - 22 Oct 2003 21:39 GMT
> > I have read the book. This not a book of fiction or crazy ideas. It
> > presents a theory that very well possibly could one day shatter
> > standard theory currently in use. It solves mysteries of outer space
> > and even a few mysteries with Pioneer spacecraft. It utterly brings
This book is a must read for anyone who claims to love
> > science and seeks answers for physical laws function as they do.
> For the benefit of the person who wanted the title and author of the
> book under discussion, The name of the book is The Final Theory, and
> the author is Mark McCutcheon
This book is a non-read because I cannot get it through interlibrary loan.
It seems that no libraries are buying the book. You might as well put
the book on a web site unless you can convince a few libraries in the
USA to buy the book.
Cody R. Perkins - 23 Oct 2003 04:47 GMT
The book is available. It is a print on demand book. A lot more books
are being printed this way. Perhaps not has commercially available but
in the long run it is catching on. Avoids printing to many books and
what not. The author gives more info. www.finaltheory.com
Bill - 23 Oct 2003 00:13 GMT
Any relation to yourself

> > I have read the book. This not a book of fiction or crazy ideas. It
> > presents a theory that very well possibly could one day shatter
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> book under discussion, The name of the book is The Final Theory, and
> the author is Mark McCutcheon
Cody R. Perkins - 24 Oct 2003 06:33 GMT
No. We have never met. Live in different countries for that matter.
AaronB - 29 Oct 2003 03:42 GMT
> For everyone that always ask what "The Theory of Everything" should be
> make an effort to get your hands on a book by Mark McCutcheon, The
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> question is, are you prepared to be left behind or are you prepared to
> let go of your paradigms and be at the forefront of the new science.

This is a joke right? I've skimmed through the author's "Science
Frequently Asked Questions" section, and have concluded that the
author has NO concept of some of the most fundamental principals of
physics. His concept of work, energy, power, force, and vectors are on
par with that of a struggling high school student, championing such
foolish notions as "gravity never does any work throughout the
universe" (hold a stone above your head and release it... if it moves,
work is being done, my heavens what a concept...)  I really hope too
many gullible people haven't bought into this thinking that the theory
would be able to hold any water.
Paul R. Mays - 29 Oct 2003 04:29 GMT
> > For everyone that always ask what "The Theory of Everything" should be
> > make an effort to get your hands on a book by Mark McCutcheon, The
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> many gullible people haven't bought into this thinking that the theory
> would be able to hold any water.

Nah...  Hell most around here started laughing before the first
line was completed...  But you actually read it past that?

My Sympathy...

Paul R. Mays
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nick spann - 29 Oct 2003 09:43 GMT
> Nah...  Hell most around here started laughing before the first
> line was completed...  But you actually read it past that?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Paul R. Mays
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have the same bout of hysterics everytime I read the principles of
Quantum theory. If only some of you guys would consider Occams Razor
maybe we wouldn't be spending so much time and money with particle
accelerators and do something worthwhile for the advancement of
humankind. Unfortunately most scientists haven't got the guts to
question their elders and throw good theory after bad to try to fix
it. Future scientists will look back on this period of science and
laugh at the futility of our experiments and consider this as the dark
ages. Until someone stops the boat we will continue to be part of the
past and not belong to the future.
Gregory L. Hansen - 03 Nov 2003 20:00 GMT
>> Nah...  Hell most around here started laughing before the first
>> line was completed...  But you actually read it past that?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I have the same bout of hysterics everytime I read the principles of
>Quantum theory. If only some of you guys would consider Occams Razor

I believe Occan's Razor would insist that if particles act like waves, we
should use a wave mechanics to describe them.

>maybe we wouldn't be spending so much time and money with particle
>accelerators and do something worthwhile for the advancement of
>humankind.

Most particle accelerators are used in industry and medicine.  But the big
ones doing science generate data that can be thrown at whatever theory you
find most entertaining.  Data is data.

>Unfortunately most scientists haven't got the guts to
>question their elders and throw good theory after bad to try to fix
>it.

Evidently they do.  How else would you explain the breaking of hundreds of
years of Newtonian tradition for quantum mechanics in the first place?

I just came by this message today and wouldn't have said anything, except
that minutes later I came across some photocopied articles I have laying
around...

Felber, Gähler, and Golub, "Test of the time dependent Schrödinger
equation with very slow neutrons", Physica B 151, 136 (1988).

(I know Golub!)

Klein, "Schrödinger inviolate: Neutron optical searches for violations of
quantum mechanics", Physica B 151, 44 (1988).

Andrews, "A wave system theory of quantum mechanics", Physica B 151, 351
(1988).  From the abstract: "Because quantum mechanics has severe
interpretational problems which have not been resolved within the theory
of quantum mechanics, a new approach to basic physics is proposed."

I must have come across a "theme" issue of Physica B one day and brought
home some of the more interesting articles.

>Future scientists will look back on this period of science and
>laugh at the futility of our experiments and consider this as the dark
>ages.

Don't bet on it.  Future scientists will recognize it as good science
because it's a very general theory that encompasses the experimental data
available.  Just as modern scientists look back on theories like caloric
and Newtonian mechanics as ultimately wrong, but good science and valid
within large regimes of experiment.  If there were actually some data that
shows quantum mechanics doesn't work, then maybe you wouldn't have to
speak in vague generalities and predictions of the future.  But it works,
and as the articles I've cited show, it's not because nobody has tried to
break it.

>Until someone stops the boat we will continue to be part of the
>past and not belong to the future.

Why do the people that say that always seem to want to recede back to 19th
century physics?

At least it's a break from the usual anti-Einstein threads.

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Cody R. Perkins - 04 Nov 2003 05:53 GMT
I can go into the physics of the theory. Though I am not sure how much
I am alloyed to say. I don't want to violate international copyright
laws or anything. Perhaps if I just cover the basics of it.
Richard Herring - 04 Nov 2003 12:21 GMT
> I can go into the physics of the theory.

Go right ahead. It would mak a change. If you want a suggestion, I'd
be interested to see how Maxwell's equations, or the equivalent, are
derived.

> Though I am not sure how much
> I am alloyed to say. I don't want to violate international copyright
> laws or anything. Perhaps if I just cover the basics of it.

Unless you quote huge chunks of the book verbatim that shouldn't be a
problem. There's no copyright in ideas.
Cody R. Perkins - 05 Nov 2003 08:21 GMT
> > I can go into the physics of the theory.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Unless you quote huge chunks of the book verbatim that shouldn't be a
> problem. There's no copyright in ideas.

 I did some checking. Ideas or new concepts can be copyrighted. Plus
checked with the author. Book might be going a more public route soon.
As such I will not post here. However I see no problem if you email me
privately if you are serious and polite. If rude though, I will not
waste my time.
Dave Thomson - 05 Nov 2003 18:03 GMT
>   I did some checking. Ideas or new concepts can be copyrighted.

Wrong! Read what the government has to say about copyrighting ideas...
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ31.html

Only your particular expression of the idea can be copyrighted.  Someone
else can express the exact same ideas in a different way and not violate
copyright laws.

Dave
Cody R. Perkins - 05 Nov 2003 23:33 GMT
Well in my concluding thoughts to this board...

 I have learned all I can here for now. I have the read book in the
summer and grew curious to see who else has read it. Plus seeing what
others reactions might be. The copyright issue I was refering to is
something to consider for reasons that I see little reason to discuss
and waiste my time. I will check on things again when the book is
released to greater audience. To few have read it right now to warrant
it's discussion on the net. Besides personal experience has taught me
that new ideas only be expressed in real time or in person to complete
the idea as a whole. Sayonara for now.

Sincerely,
Cody R. P.
Richard Herring - 05 Nov 2003 11:47 GMT
In message <ac3598.0311050021.707eafe0@posting.google.com>, Cody
R. Perkins <covensarr@hotmail.com> writes
>news01@clupeid.demon.co.uk (Richard Herring) wrote in message
>news:<63ee5e77.0311040421.2a2270ec@posting.google.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>> Go right ahead. It would mak a change. If you want a suggestion,
I'd
>> be interested to see how Maxwell's equations, or the equivalent,
are
>> derived.
>>
>> > Though I am not sure how much
>> > I am alloyed to say. I don't want to violate international
copyright
>> > laws or anything. Perhaps if I just cover the basics of it.
>>
>> Unless you quote huge chunks of the book verbatim that shouldn't be
a
>> problem. There's no copyright in ideas.
>
>  I did some checking. Ideas or new concepts can be copyrighted.

Nonsense. You may be confusing copyright with patents, which are an
entirely different thing. You might find the following helpful:

http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/faq/copyright/what_protected.htm

That's from a UK legal perspective, but I don't think the US position
is hugely different.

>Plus checked with the author.

Ah. If the author asks you not to explain his theory here, then of
course you should not do so. We can draw our own conclusions.

That's a quite different matter, so why muddy the waters with
copyright issues?
(in fact it sounds more like a trade secret, to complete the IP trio
;-)

>Book might be going a more public route soon.
>As such I will not post here.

That's a shame. Again, we can draw our own conclusions.

> However I see no problem if you email me
>privately if you are serious and polite.

Nope. Ask here, answer here is the rule for Usenet. Private
discussions in parallel with the public one are of no help to anybody.

> If rude though, I will not
>waste my time.
Les McGuire - 29 Oct 2003 10:24 GMT
Ok, I've read the entire thread, and still no one who has read the
book has offered a criticism.

I can give all sorts of problems, flaws, and insults to many books
I've never read, but if the stated premise is anything other than my
existing opinion, then of course I am naturally and suddenly
well-qualified to, if not disprove the argument, at least make fun of
it, deride it, and question the intelligence, character, geneology,
etc. of the author.

In fact, apparently like many who post to this thread, I love to argue
against arguments I've never actually heard. You wouldn't believe how
good I am at making fun of people I don't know, criticizing movies I
haven't seen, disproving theories I've never studied, disregarding
research I've never analyzed. It's a rare gift, but apparently some of
you share it with me.

My favorite of all was the Physicist in the thread who offered the
profound underlying physical explanation that the science behind why a
coat doesn't get tired is that it's hanging on a hook. So am I to
ascertain that the underlying "fuel" for the never-weakening force of
universal gravity is "hooks?" Apparently, "hooks" are the same
mystery-solving explantion behind magnets as well, and that the only
reason humans wear out is that we aren't made of well-designed
"hooks." Amazing. Is it possible that the answer behind "strong
nuclear force", holding positively-charged protons infintesimally
close together forever with no lapse, no weakening, and no energy
source, is tiny, sub-subatomic "hooks?" FINALLY, THE Grand Unifying
Theory of Everything: Hooks.
Richard Herring - 29 Oct 2003 16:26 GMT
Call me cynical if you will, but I thought it might be interesting to
ask what we know about all those people rushing to applaud this book.
It would seem that the sum total of their posting history (after
filtering out one or two posters with similar names but apparently
different addresses)
is:

"Mark Stevens" - 1 posting, via Google, this thread.
"Nick Spann" - 5 postings, via Google, this thread only.
"Cody R. Perkins" - 3 postings, via Google, this thread only.
"Les McGuire" - 2 postings, via Google, this thread only.
"Jordan Novak" - 1 posting, this thread only.
"Wayne McCutcheon" - 1 posting, this thread only.

Ain't Google wonderful? ;-)
Paul R. Mays - 29 Oct 2003 19:27 GMT
> Call me cynical if you will, but I thought it might be interesting to
> ask what we know about all those people rushing to applaud this book.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Ain't Google wonderful? ;-)

I think everyone picked up on the trolls method but
its good to make it clear that they all are the same
person trying to get others to buy a book of non-sense...
Must not be a big sales item as he thought it would be...

Paul R. Mays
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http://paul.mays.com/mayday.html
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If we could produce one or two more Madame Curies,
that would accomplish far more for the advancement
of women than any amount of agitation, argument and
legislation.
                                     - Virginia Crocheron Gildersleeve
nick spann - 29 Oct 2003 23:45 GMT
> > Call me cynical if you will, but I thought it might be interesting to
> > ask what we know about all those people rushing to applaud this book.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> legislation.
>                                       - Virginia Crocheron Gildersleeve

No sorry guys. Have no connection with anyone whatsoever.
Come and see my website if you don't believe I'm a real live human
being rather than just a name - you'll probably be the first :-)

http://www.nickspann.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

You'll note from the web address that I'm based in the UK.....is that
far enough away from you guys in the US to be considered to be
independent.

Maybe there is no conspiracy and the people who have read it just
think it's an important enough theory to comment. No-ones forcing you
to read it but if you are dissatisfied with current theory and have
the guts to throw away everything Newton and Einstein taught you then
I urge you to give the book a try.
Mark McCutcheon - 31 Oct 2003 05:22 GMT
> > > Call me cynical if you will, but I thought it might be interesting to
> > > ask what we know about all those people rushing to applaud this book.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> the guts to throw away everything Newton and Einstein taught you then
> I urge you to give the book a try.

=================================================

Let's see if I can help clear things up ...

- Firstly, there is no scam or conspiracy going on here -- no one is
pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. This thread was genuinely started
by one of the readers of my book, completely unsolicited and
unbeknownst to me. I discovered it entirely independently on one of my
occasional web searches to see how much of an impact had been made by
the book and my promotional efforts. A number of readers had already
emailed asking if there were any discussions going on about the book
that they could join, so I sent a one-line email to readers who had
emailed me previously to inform them of this thread, with a link to it
in case they weren't familiar with Google newsgroups -- nothing more
was said. My father also volunteered his own comment when he saw
people asking how to get the book. Every posting from readers is
genuine, unsolicited commentary by real people who I do not know
personally, and who simply love the book and are itching to tell the
world about it and get the coming revolution started. Believe it or
not, they're trying to do you a favor by showing you a way out of the
flawed science paradigm the world is currently trapped within and
struggling with, which is my intention as well in writing and
promoting the book.

- Secondly, anyone willing to take a truly honest look will see that
the criticisms leveled here so far vary from those that just repeat
the same contrived party lines that have kept us in the dark for
centuries to superficial knee-jerk reactions which themselves are
quite flawed or unfounded. This is to be expected from those who have
not read the book and who have a further personal need to defend the
current paradigm at all cost -- the only one they know -- safe in the
knowledge that millions of others have been programmed with the same
rhetoric and will almost certainly just nod in unison. Safety in
numbers .. the Emperor's New Clothes .. call it what you will. People,
by now if our established science paradigm can't stand solidly on its
own merits, and must be defended from honest criticism and challenging
new ideas via closed-minded ridicule and mudslinging rather than
intelligent, open-minded investigation, then it's already in serious
trouble. Admittedly, it is quite a grand (and tarnished) claim to
state that the Theory of Everything has been neatly written up in a
paperback book available for order. Yet, as preposterous as this
sounds, it has actually happened! Don't take my obviously biased word
for it though, listen to those who have read it and are offering their
genuine, unsolicited endorsement. If it were up to me the book would
be available in bookstores around the world, but that's out of my
hands. Currently, only my print-on-demand publisher has had the
intelligence to recognize its worth and the courage and integrity to
publish it and make it available for online orders. If nothing else,
it's a compelling, enjoyable, thought-provoking rethink of everything
we *think* we know today, and which is actually quite sensible and
viable, as readers unanimously attest. But also, for this very reason,
it is likely far more than just an interesting read as well.

- Thirdly, I don't believe it is appropriate for me to discuss the
core ideas of the theory itself at this point, which would no doubt be
expected if I joined this discussion regularly, so I'll stay out of it
except perhaps to make the occasional moderating comment. It took a
400+ page book to do justice to this new science paradigm -- applying
it to all known areas of science and daily experience -- and trying to
explain it in disjointed bits and pieces in newsgroup postings simply
isn't the way to bring it to the world; and thankfully there is no
need, since it is readily available in paperback. Accuse me of blatant
commercialism if you must, but it's just a fact that the book was
written very deliberately and thoroughly (even filled with diagrams)
in order to do justice to this entirely new science paradigm. There
simply is no more appropriate way to present it to the world now than
to say "Read the book, it's all in there".
Richard Herring - 31 Oct 2003 12:58 GMT
> > > > Call me cynical if you will, but I thought it might be interesting to
> > > > ask what we know about all those people rushing to applaud this book.
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> in case they weren't familiar with Google newsgroups -- nothing more
> was said.

Well, if that's not "solicitation" it's a pretty broad hint.

> My father also volunteered his own comment when he saw
> people asking how to get the book. Every posting from readers is
> genuine, unsolicited commentary

Ahem. Genuine maybe, but "unsolicited"?

> by real people who I do not know
> personally, and who simply love the book and are itching to tell the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> struggling with, which is my intention as well in writing and
> promoting the book.

Are they really? Or are they just unwittingly helping you publicise
it? I note that it didn't take long for a link to this very thread to
appear on your web pages.

> - Secondly, anyone willing to take a truly honest look will see that
> the criticisms leveled here so far vary from those that just repeat
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> rhetoric and will almost certainly just nod in unison. Safety in
> numbers .. the Emperor's New Clothes .. call it what you will.

<yawn> I call it the "establishment lackeys defending the current
paradigm" conspiracy theory. Since it's (a) based on a false premise
and (b) intrinsically unfalsifiable, it's not terribly interesting.

[snip many words. You must be an author]

> - Thirdly, I don't believe it is appropriate for me to discuss the
> core ideas of the theory itself at this point,

Why am I not surprised?

> which would no doubt be
> expected if I joined this discussion regularly, so I'll stay out of it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> explain it in disjointed bits and pieces in newsgroup postings simply
> isn't the way to bring it to the world;

So put it on a website.  Oh, wait, you already did. That is, you try
to explain it in disjointed bits and pieces in your so-called
not-even-wrong "Science FAQ".
Does it truly represent the content of the book, or is it just planted
there to fan the flames? All publicity is good publicity, eh?

> and thankfully there is no
> need, since it is readily available in paperback. Accuse me of blatant
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> simply is no more appropriate way to present it to the world now than
> to say "Read the book, it's all in there".

You mean "_Buy_ the book..."
Paul R. Mays - 31 Oct 2003 13:01 GMT
> > > > > Call me cynical if you will, but I thought it might be interesting to
> > > > > ask what we know about all those people rushing to applaud this book.
[quoted text clipped - 118 lines]
>
> You mean "_Buy_ the book..."

Nail....  Hammer...  Direct hit....
Jordan Novak - 31 Oct 2003 19:22 GMT
Sometimes people just want to stay in the dark. Maybe Newton was onto
something when he said that outside forces must be applied to change
the direction of a moving (or non-moving) object. It certainly applies
to people if it applies to anything.
nick spann - 31 Oct 2003 17:52 GMT
> > and thankfully there is no
> > need, since it is readily available in paperback. Accuse me of blatant
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> You mean "_Buy_ the book..."

....and whats wrong with trying to sell a book exactly?
Did Stephen Hawking and all the other scientific writers not do the
same?

Did Stephen Hawking write for the love of science or for financial
gain?
The truth is probably both.

The author of this book had an idea of scientific merit but outside of
current thinking in terms of standard theory. To avoid being dismissed
as a science heretic he's obviously considered that a book is the best
place to formulate and fully explore his idea. He's put a huge amount
of effort into his theory and would therefore be foolish not to want
to market it in the hope that it gains a wide audience and of course
for that effort to be rewarded. To dismiss the book as nothing more
than a money making exercise is doing the world a disservice.
Richard Herring - 03 Nov 2003 17:24 GMT
[attributions lost]
> > > There
> > > simply is no more appropriate way to present it to the world now than
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> ....and whats wrong with trying to sell a book exactly?

Nothing, so why not be honest about it?

> Did Stephen Hawking and all the other scientific writers not do the
> same?

Mostly they started by getting their work published in peer-reviewed
journals.

> Did Stephen Hawking write for the love of science or for financial
> gain?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> as a science heretic he's obviously considered that a book is the best
> place to formulate and fully explore his idea.

Before trying to overthrow orthodoxy, it's as well for the heretic to
understand it fully. It makes the arguments so much more convincing.

> He's put a huge amount
> of effort into his theory and would therefore be foolish not to want
> to market it in the hope that it gains a wide audience and of course
> for that effort to be rewarded. To dismiss the book as nothing more
> than a money making exercise is doing the world a disservice.

Only if it _is_ more than a money-making exercise.

How does his thesis stand up to the test of empirical data?
Is it general?
Is it falsifiable?
Does it make quantitative predictions?
Do they match observation?
And if the answer to all the above is "yes", how is it better than the
currently accepted theories?
nick spann - 01 Nov 2003 10:53 GMT
> <yawn> I call it the "establishment lackeys defending the current
> paradigm" conspiracy theory. Since it's (a) based on a false premise
> and (b) intrinsically unfalsifiable, it's not terribly interesting.

I'm tired of talking to the monkey...can you establishment lackeys
please direct me to the organ grinder.
Greg Neill - 01 Nov 2003 15:11 GMT
> > <yawn> I call it the "establishment lackeys defending the current
> > paradigm" conspiracy theory. Since it's (a) based on a false premise
> > and (b) intrinsically unfalsifiable, it's not terribly interesting.
>
> I'm tired of talking to the monkey...can you establishment lackeys
> please direct me to the organ grinder.

No, but I can show you to the kill-file.  Have a nice,
but altogether transparent, day.
Richard Herring - 03 Nov 2003 17:14 GMT
> > <yawn> I call it the "establishment lackeys defending the current
> > paradigm" conspiracy theory. Since it's (a) based on a false premise
> > and (b) intrinsically unfalsifiable, it's not terribly interesting.
>
> I'm tired of talking to the monkey...can you establishment lackeys
> please direct me to the organ grinder.

You don't get it, do you.  The "establishment lackeys" don't exist.
The idea that professional scientists oppose novelty because their
careers would be damaged by it is the false premise. It's advanced
regularly and boringly in these newsgroups by cranks trying to explain
why nobody will accept their theories.

Now, did you have something to tell us about the _physics_ presented
in the book, or have you nothing to offer but personal insults?
nick spann - 04 Nov 2003 00:26 GMT
> > > <yawn> I call it the "establishment lackeys defending the current
> > > paradigm" conspiracy theory. Since it's (a) based on a false premise
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Now, did you have something to tell us about the _physics_ presented
> in the book, or have you nothing to offer but personal insults?

I was responding to a discourteous personal comment from another
correspondant - unexpected from a supposed professional scientist. I
lowered myself to the same level for a moment so I sincerely
apologise.

If new theories are indeed advanced all the time then clearly standard
science is not reaching the populace. If General Relativity, String
Theory and Quantum Theory together are the true, unflawed and complete
Theory of Everything then this message is clearly not being told. You
don't need another theory theatening to wipe away all those
disconnected ideas and fix all those pesky problems so tell it.

I can understand the authors view of science as a closed shop. It
would be difficult if not impossible for a non-scientist to obtain
peer review in the scientific establishment. It is therefore perfectly
acceptable in my view to publish a book in this way. I can also fully
understand that he would wish to avoid revealing its concepts. I have
already seen how easy it is for people to dismiss whole theories on
single misconceptions or even one single sentence taken out of
context. Also, papers written by professional scientists are paid for
via grants so it would be unfair to expect Mark McCutcheon to give up
his work for free.

The originator of this thread I think intended to alert others
dissatisfied with the lack of clarity of current science to give it a
go. If you want something that fills in the gaps of current knowledge
then this is not the book as it replaces current knowledge, rewriting
history back to Newtons apple. This is perhaps not the correct forum
for such revelations as science is based on Newtonian physics. A
theory which uses a different model naturally won't fit even some of
the most fundamental building blocks of the Newtonian Universe and
will be branded immediately as unacceptable "crank science".

It's so easy to dismiss such notions on a cursory glance but I believe
with focussed attention and an ability to look past the Newtonian
Universe you might just see what all the fuss is about.

Thats my parting comment guys....I got involved to express my
(entirely independent) support for the book which I think is a great
theory and a worthwhile read...and before you say it - I know how much
my opinion is worth thankyou very much!! :)

I didn't want to get into intense discussions (or petty flaming) so
for those that kept it civil (I know, I know - I'll behave next time
too)....thanks for your time.

Regards,

Nick.
Greg Neill - 31 Oct 2003 15:25 GMT
> It took a
> 400+ page book to do justice to this new science paradigm [...]

Any idea that can't be succinctly described on a cocktail
napkin is suspect, and probably wrong.
Jordan Novak - 31 Oct 2003 20:15 GMT
"Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.netcom.ca> wrote in message news:<whuob.37149
> Any idea that can't be succinctly described on a cocktail
> napkin is suspect, and probably wrong.

i guess that rules out Einstein's relativity then.    Not that it
isn't worth considering,  just like other theories under discussion.
Paul R. Mays - 31 Oct 2003 20:39 GMT
> "Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.netcom.ca> wrote in message news:<whuob.37149
> > Any idea that can't be succinctly described on a cocktail
> > napkin is suspect, and probably wrong.
>
> i guess that rules out Einstein's relativity then.    Not that it
> isn't worth considering,  just like other theories under discussion.

The concept of Einsteinian theory will fit on a folded bar napkin along
with all the theories that are considered inarguable...  Now you may need
a book or 50 to detail the rationales to the point of verification but
if a theory requires a book just to conceptually explain you are in
trouble from the get go.....

Paul R. Mays
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http://paul.mays.com/mayday.html
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"The skeptic will say, 'It may well be true
that this system of  equations is reasonable
from a logical standpoint, but this does not
prove that it corresponds to nature.'  You
are right, dear skeptic.  Experience alone
can decide on truth. "
                                          - Albert Einstein
Greg Neill - 31 Oct 2003 20:45 GMT
> "Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.netcom.ca> wrote in message news:<whuob.37149
> > Any idea that can't be succinctly described on a cocktail
> > napkin is suspect, and probably wrong.
>
> i guess that rules out Einstein's relativity then.    Not that it
> isn't worth considering,  just like other theories under discussion.

Described, not derived or developed.

General relativity: Space tells mass how to move, mass tells
space how to curve.  The details are left as an exercise for
the alert reader.
nick spann - 01 Nov 2003 10:08 GMT
> > "Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.netcom.ca> wrote in message news:<whuob.37149
> > > Any idea that can't be succinctly described on a cocktail
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> space how to curve.  The details are left as an exercise for
> the alert reader.

As Jordan appreciates, this theory too can be succinctly described on
a napkin...but of course if it were it would be immediately dismissed
because most don't have the guts to break from the party line and
become defensive and in some cases nasty. Quite frankly most people on
here lack any kind of manners or respect for others....these spineless
specimens will never dare to speak out and therefore will never read
the book....why they even bother to comment on something they've never
read other than spite beats me.

The book describes one simple property to which everything else in our
Universe stems and then takes you on a complete journey through all
other science disciplines.

I am not a marketing agent for the book...it is just simply a
thoroughly enjoyable read and a theory that I think deserves to be
considered in the cold light of day. Would I, with nothing to gain
bother to place such glowing posts on this group - throwing myself to
the gobby yanks in the process - if I didn't feel so strongly about
the theory within.

I promise that after reading it you will never view gravity in the
same way again.
Paul R. Mays - 01 Nov 2003 10:29 GMT
Hell of  a split personality he has there....

Oh I see you already got one of the Yahoo email
addy's ...  now go get a MSN and a Netscape...

> > > "Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.netcom.ca> wrote in message news:<whuob.37149
> > > > Any idea that can't be succinctly described on a cocktail
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> I promise that after reading it you will never view gravity in the
> same way again.
Greg Neill - 01 Nov 2003 15:06 GMT
> > > "Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.netcom.ca> wrote in message news:<whuob.37149
> > > > Any idea that can't be succinctly described on a cocktail
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> because most don't have the guts to break from the party line and
> become defensive and in some cases nasty.

That's absurd.  The aggregate number of physics-faculty hours
going into research (and publishing) on string theory demolishes
your premise.
Ed Keane III - 31 Oct 2003 16:49 GMT
> > > > Call me cynical if you will, but I thought it might be interesting to
> > > > ask what we know about all those people rushing to applaud this book.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> > far enough away from you guys in the US to be considered to be
> > independent.

This is a web hostig site in the UK. It is a formatted site with
nothing but pasted photos that looks like a second grader
spent about 10 minutes putting together. Whoever put it together
never even bothered to type a single word. Nick does not appear
to be to bright.

> Let's see if I can help clear things up ...
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> in case they weren't familiar with Google newsgroups -- nothing more
> was said.

The combination of people wanting to know about discussions to
join but needing to know about google to post seems even more
unusual than the coincidence that your fans have never posted
before this thread.

>. Believe it or
> not, they're trying to do you a favor by showing you a way out of the
> flawed science paradigm the world is currently trapped within and
> struggling with, which is my intention as well in writing and
> promoting the book.

Do you have any idea how dime a dozen  your kind of ignorance
is around here?

> - Secondly, anyone willing to take a truly honest look will see that
> the criticisms leveled here so far vary from those that just repeat
> the same contrived party lines that have kept us in the dark for
> centuries to superficial knee-jerk reactions which themselves are
> quite flawed or unfounded.

If your book reflects this attitude why would anyone who has put
any effort into learning about physics want to touch it? I don't
believe that you are pretending to know nothing about physics
on your web site and in this thread as a promotional stunt.
nick spann - 01 Nov 2003 00:44 GMT
Ed Keane is - like most Americans - a pathetic non too bright troll
and his juvenile remarks are best ignored. Now I know who voted Dubya
in!!

Grow up Eddie I'm tired of the boring base level criticisms from a
"second grader" (whatever that is) who never learnt to use a mouse.
Theres lots of pages of text written by my own fair hands
Eddie.....but its personal non science stuff....something you
obviously can't get your head around - you not having a life outside
of being a scientific fan-boy. I've found, like you Ed, that most so
called scientists can't even use a toaster....too much time drooling
over pictures of Stephen Hawking I suspect. Your supposed to click the
buttons on the mouse Ed!!

I was thinking for a moment that the scientific establishment is full
of vain and rather pointless people as proven by Ed Keane and those
who criticise a book that they have never read but there I go assuming
the worst. These are not scientists...these are science pretenders.
Like trainspotters. They probably own a telescope, have not been able
to build a relationship with a woman due to an overstrict Mother and
are unemployed. Their opinions are worthless.

So I will leave Ed Keane to his futile superiority complex, his
tedious, repetitive warblings and his worthless, hollow life. How on
earth he manages to press the buttons on the keyboard with such stubby
fingers I'll never know.

Kind regards,

Nick.
nick spann - 01 Nov 2003 00:51 GMT
What a nasty, bitter and twisted little mind you have Eddie Keane the
Third...and what a pretentious name...does that mean there has been 3
of you with a silly name. Heaven forbid!!
Big Bird - 13 Nov 2003 02:09 GMT
> > > > Call me cynical if you will, but I thought it might be interesting to
> > > > ask what we know about all those people rushing to applaud this book.
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> personally, and who simply love the book and are itching to tell the
> world about it and get the coming revolution started.

Or such is your claim.

Fortunately there's such a thing as syntactic analysis, and while I
wouldn't claim that these five posts were from the same one person, it
is a certainty that they were not written by five different people.
The use of the exact identical conceptions makes that very clear.

For example it is simply not to be expected that five people are all
in support of some new wonderful science paradigm and they all *just
accidentil* omit to mention just what that "new paradigm" actually is.
Especially when it is such a primitive idea that can easily be
summarized in a sentence (see below).

Of course everybody can have a look at the first chapter of the book,
so the author avoids it painstakingly to make any mention of his "new
paradigm" in the first chapter. What everybody can see is that the
author (who's name is almost certainly not "Mark McCutcheon" and who
has not given any evidence for the claim that he is Canadian) is
entirely ignorant of the most basic middle-school level concepts in
physics.

But yet -- with the actual content of the book such a closely guarded
secret, maybe a spam-campaign like the one instigated on this ng
*might* con the one or other rube to shell out the money for the book
just to see what the heck it is about.

Well, praise to Amazon.com and the "reader's review":

[...]
   For me, the book dead ended when it attempted to explain
  orbits in terms of geometric expansion. Absent curved space
  or gravitational force, there's no means for an object to
  swing all the way around another, although the theory can
  demonstrate non-orbital curvature for a few steps. Indeed,
  extending chapter 3's own figures just a tiny bit reveals
  serious flaws; one is left to either rotate the coordinate
  system (a.k.a. the universe) about a pair of relatively
  stationary objects, or make an appeal to the very things the
  theory attempts to explain away. Mathematical descriptions
  of orbital paths would have been extremely useful here, but,
  once more, they are conspicuously absent.
[...]

Ah, GEOMETRIC EXPANSION. I recall the crackpot who wanted to explain
all of the universe by some retarded "everything expands all the time"
scheme. A short google later and I have a pretty good guess what the
author's name *really* is (or better: what name he's used previously).

Brownie points for then next one to figure out the author's identity.
Hint: He's always had this utter lack of grasp of even the most basic
physics.
Jordan Novak - 14 Nov 2003 23:11 GMT
FYI for those reading this thread...     there were 9 total reviews on
amazon.com for The Final Theory,  2 of them were of the tone of the
last post,  the other 7 were all at least 4 stars out of 5.
Big Bird - 15 Nov 2003 03:45 GMT
> FYI for those reading this thread...     there were 9 total reviews on
> amazon.com for The Final Theory,  2 of them were of the tone of the
> last post,  the other 7 were all at least 4 stars out of 5.

And given that it is very clear that the author is stuffing the
ballots right here on usenet in front of our nose, this statement
means exactly squat.
Mark McCutcheon - 17 Nov 2003 02:10 GMT
> > FYI for those reading this thread...     there were 9 total reviews on
> > amazon.com for The Final Theory,  2 of them were of the tone of the
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> ballots right here on usenet in front of our nose, this statement
> means exactly squat.

I'm not sure what to make of the comments in this thread from those
who have not read the book in question. I'm not quite sure whether
these are genuine individuals who are just having a difficult time
believing my claims and those of readers of The Final Theory, or if
they are people who are intent on inventing and living within their
own negative, misguided assumptions and inventions, post after post.
If it's the latter, I'll leave them to entertain themselves, but in
case these posts are actually from sincere, thinking people deep down
(or such people are at least browsing this thread silently), I'll make
this final clarifying post. As I mentioned in my first posting, all
comments in this thread are from real, separate individuals who I do
not know personally and whose comments are genuine and unsolicited by
me. They have simply read the book, loved it, and volunteered their
well-intentioned recommendations, support, and defense against the
unfounded accusations and assumptions being levied in this thread. The
book is for real. There are very enjoyable, rational,
thought-provoking ideas throughout awaiting anyone who reads it, which
also very likely represent the next true scientific revolution. My
name is Mark McCutcheon -- always has been. I have never posted to
Google or Usenet groups before as myself or under any other name or
alias, precisely because of the often shallow, distasteful nature of
the postings that can be witnessed not only in this thread, but sadly,
also throughout the physics group archives. I also have not so much as
browsed these groups in well over a decade for the same reason, and if
there is any resemblance of the ideas in my book to any postings in
these groups it is purely coincidental. I am very comfortable making
all of these statements quite publicly and definitively for the
record, and for anyone who is truly interested and sincere to verify.
For those who truly want to get to the bottom of this issue, I hope I
have helped clear things up and that you take the honest, sincere
recommendations in this thread to heart and read the book. And for
those who are only here to make a hobby of misrepresenting the
well-intentioned words of myself and of those who have actually read
the book, I leave you to your hobby. Either way, enjoy!
Paul R. Mays - 17 Nov 2003 03:38 GMT
> > > FYI for those reading this thread...     there were 9 total reviews on
> > > amazon.com for The Final Theory,  2 of them were of the tone of the
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> well-intentioned words of myself and of those who have actually read
> the book, I leave you to your hobby. Either way, enjoy!

Your an idiot and a charlatan....  to think you can post
using several names and get the unsuspecting to buy a book
when you and your other posts ( we all know what your doing
dude..  your an easy one to figure out..  Smart guys do
a much better job)  cannot give a over view of the construct
while making wild a.s claims...  Go away..  the more you post
in this group the more the gathering will highlight your
ignorance each time you display it..

Plonk!

Paul R. Mays
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"Science is not gadgetry. The desirable adjuncts of modern
living, although in many instances made possible by
science, certainly do not constitute science. Basic scientific
knowledge often (but not always) is a prerequisite to such
developments, but technology primarily deserves the credit
for having the financial courage, the ingenuity, and the
driving energy to see to it that so-called 'pure knowledge'
is in fact brought to the practical service of man. And it
should also be recognized that those who have the urge to
apply knowledge usefully have themselves often made
significant contribution to pure knowledge and have even
more often served as a stimulation to the activities of a pure
researcher."
                                                      - Warren Weaver
(1894~1978)
Richard Herring - 05 Nov 2003 12:23 GMT
> > For everyone that always ask what "The Theory of Everything" should be
> > make an effort to get your hands on a book by Mark McCutcheon, The
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> many gullible people haven't bought into this thinking that the theory
> would be able to hold any water.

Have you downloaded and read the free first chapter? It's very
entertaining [*]

Apparently Newton's theory of gravitation violates the law of
conservation of energy, and he never noticed.  Which is odd,
considering who wrote the Principia.

If you try to pin down where it starts to become not even wrong, it
appears that the author doesn't understand the concept of the inner
product.

"This modified Work Function, W = F d cos(\theta), is said to
calculate the amount of useful work, since only the amount of work
done in the direction of the force is considered to be desired and
therefore useful work."

[*] if you like playing "spot the strawman", that is.
Jordan Novak - 29 Oct 2003 15:45 GMT
I purchased and read The Final Theory a couple of months ago hoping
for a good challenge in finding the flaws of another theory and
finding the discrepancies that will prove it false and contradicting.
Instead, i found myself using an entirely different standard with
which to view the universe. Obvious but overlooked or ignored flaws in
today's Standard Theory are exposed and corrected. Fundamental
mysteries such as magnetism, electricity, and gravity are explained
and their causes made known.
The theory presented by the author is a solid and extremely
thought-provoking concept. There is nothing overly complex. Everything
is simple and makes perfect sense. This book is well worth getting
just for the way it will make you review all the laws and theories
we've grown up with and accepted, some for centuries. Either you will
find the Standard Theory reinforced as it defends the laws at its
core, or you will find a new way to view the everyday fundamentals of
the universe. Either way its worth the read.
CCRyder - 19 May 2004 00:05 GMT
Most of what is written below are excerpts from previous posts.  One
particular poster has repeatedly asked for the definitions of a time
rate gradient field, a null motion gradient field, and an absolute null
motion gradient.

The reality is that these terms have been well defined in multiple
posts.  That particular poster has confessed to not reading my posts
but nevertheless still makes the claim that I've not defined these
terms.

Of course I make some statements in the beginning which through
examination of my arguments are my conclusions.   In other words I'm
making the statement of my findings first and then attempting to lead
the reader through the processes that brought me to that conclusion.
You have to 'get' several things all at once and have a Gestalt sort of
experience and you can get that by going over the information a number
of times until you have internalized some of the concepts with which
you may be unfamiliar or terms that you perhaps have never heard
before. But I'll take your criticism to heart and first try to explain
a number of terms that I use.

Time rate gradient field or null motion gradient field.

These two terms are synonymous with each other and are descriptive of
the characteristics of a gravitational field.  

That's it.

A time rate gradient field or a null motion gradient field are synonyms
for a gravitational field.

Suppose one had a gravitational terminus loop. One can suppose that
there is a terminus to a monolithic gravitational field that is not
point-like but rather terminates to a closed loop.  "Monolithic" means
'of one stone' but in this context I use it to mean from one source or
emanating from a single source.   Most people are familiar with the
concept of a multi-source gravitational field.  It is commonly accepted
that the gravitational acceleration at any point is the vector sum, at
that point, of all monolithic gravitational sources.  But people aren't
familiar with the term "monolithic gravitational source" because there
is the presumption that all matter produces a gravitational attraction
for all other matter so that all bits of matter or all mass-like quanta
are presumed to be gravitational sources.  I want people to question
any belief which they cannot substantiate by data, intuition (the
direct sort) or deductive logic.  By the direct sort of intuition I
mean pretty much the same thing that Descartes meant.   By intuition he
meant that faculty of the mind which allowed one to directly apprend
what is straightforwardly obvious; such that an individual can mentally
have the intuition that he exists, that he thinks; or the notion that a
triangle is bounded by three sides or that a sphere is bounded by a
single surface. He wrote that facts of such kind are more numerous than
many people think because they disdain to direct their attention upon
such simple matters.

I'll make the claim here that of the four primary particles in nature,
neutrons, protons, electrons, and photons, only neutrons and photons
are truly gravitational sources and that protons and electrons respond
to the gravitational sources but are not themselves gravitational
sources.  I would also further posit with respect to being or not being
gravitational sources that what is true of the primary quanta is also
true of their anti-particles.  We'll see if we can substantiate such
ideas by further exploration or I'll give you my reasoning that I am
convinced establishes the validity of such claims.  I'll further claim
that protons and electrons respond to gravitational fields differently
and will demonstrate my reasoning also.  

Let's go back to the terms 'Time rate gradient field' and 'null motion
gradient field' so that the reader can get a good conceptual feel for
these terms.

Starting again, suppose there was a gravitational terminus loop.  Now
suppose there were conceptual concentric gravitational equipotential
surfaces each at a different distance from the gravitational terminus.
On a given surface all clocks would run at the same rate.  On a surface
closer to the gravitational terminus line (closed line, or loop) the
clocks would run slower than clocks on another equipotential surface
not as close.  Now it is only that the clocks on different surfaces
appear to run at different rates with respect to a distant observer.
Because there is a differential with respect to the clock rates for
clocks at different levels then the region that encloses multiple
levels has a time rate gradient, hence the name for such a region would
be a time rate gradient field.  Since the concept of time rate is
related to change and because the simplest sort of change is motion
then as one simultaneously examines the physical processes at multiple
gravitational equipotential surfaces of a monolithic gravitational
source then one can see from the viewpoint of a distant observer that
as processes move lower in the 'field' that time appears to become
dilated and that processes observed at the terminus level leads to no
apparent motion or change at all so that moving one's vision downward
toward the gravitational terminus one sees that there is a tendency
toward no motion or 'null' motion.  Hence the term 'null motion
gradient' is also synonymous with the term 'time rate gradient'.  Many
people are familiar with the term 'time dilation' but no necessarily in
possession of a full or rich concept of its application.  To dilate
means to open up, to widen, to become larger.  Time dilation means for
an apparent perceived standard unit of time such as a second to become
longer.  But such perception, it must be remembered, is only available
to an outside observer so that the outside observer must not be
experiencing his local time rate as synchronous with that which he is
observing from his local frame hence there is a differential or
gradient and the observed standard unit of time at a place of greater
gravitational acceleration can be compared with his local time rate and
found to be much larger than his local standard unit of time.  Hence,
he would say that the region under his observation (that which is
nearer to the gravitational terminus of a monolithic gravitational
terminus) is experiencing 'time dilation'.  The term 'gravity' while
nearly univerally recognized is insufficient to express the properties
of what we call a gravitational field.  People need a more precise
conceptualization of what a gravitational field actually is; therefore
I feel justified in using a terminology which more closely captures the
features of what we have traditionally called a 'gravitational field'.

Now, using my previous post's ideas where I have expressed that all
motion is binary because it is relative should be much clearer.  The
term 'binary' as I have used it in this context means 'having two
primary subcomponents'.  I