Space is full of photon gas.

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brian a m stuckless - 18 Feb 2006 19:59 GMT

Bilge wrote: > [his straw DOPPEL] > guskz@hotmail.com: > >

> >I know they say a photon **doesn't** have a [REST] mass. > >>>
> >But do we know the amount of energy a single photon can produce
> >and then use E=mc^2 thus m = E/c^2 (or another similar equation)?

$$ BEFORE the GR-coup (after Einstein died ~1954-55?), that was TRUE.
$$ SiNCE the GR-coup THAT isN'T TRUE ..Since THEN the m isN'T= E/c^2.
$$ ALSO the following equation has no ANGULAR momentum or LaGrangian,
..ad-hoc-ly assumed Pythagoras Theorem in Heavyside/Lorentz Doublet.

> E^2 = (m*c^2)^2 + (p*c)^2 > For a photon, m = 0.

Hamiltonian ENTHALPY E = eM + L + eV
= REST mass + LaGrangian, L + Volt*Amp*sec, eV
= m*c^2 + h*fL + nA*hbar*fA
= m*c^2 + pL*c + pA*fA
Where..
pL = LiNEAR momentum ; pA = ANGULAR momentum.
fL = LiNEAR frequency ; fA = ANGULAR frequency.
eK = LaGrangian+eV = E-eM = E-eF-L = KiNETiC energy.
eV = E-eM-L = eG-eM = eF+eK-eM = eK-L, ..OR= -(m1*v1^2/2).

> >As well there's the equation: > >

$$ ^.

> > P*V = n*k*T

$$ [Pa*Vol. = n*k*T]
$$ [Pascal*Vol. = n*k*Temp.]
$$ [Pressure*Volume = n*k*degreeKelvin,] ..
$$ [..note the EARth's AMBiENT photon gas PARTiTiON function k].
Note, k in nkT is Boltzmann's, Pauli's & Bose/Einstein's PARTiTiON k.
[i.e. THAT's "Bose" ..as in BOSON or boson, as in PHOTON GAS, duh.!!]
i.e. THAT equation is NOT LiMiTED for any established EARth ALTiTUDE.

You're so ANTi-Brian sometimes, Bilge. MORE ANTi-Brian; BiGGER loser.

> >(P = pressure V= volume n = number of molecules k = constant
> >T = temperature)

$$ There're lots of k's ..you COULD have been a little more specific.
$$ [Bad enough mixing VARiOUS Standard unit SYSTEMs, without notice].

> >Perhaps mass can be determine someway with the above formula
> >(since m = density x volume and/or possibly other equations
> >using planck' s constant)
>
> The theoretical [REST] mass of zero follows from maxwell's
> equations. Photons have only transverse polarizations.

$$ Space is full of photon gas.
Photons can be said to have a LONGiTUDiNAL polarization in the SAME
sense YOUR "not reachable" POiNCARE element is not accepted science.
Technically, a photon can only be seen by looking directly UPstream.
[i.e. So, clearly, in that sense, the photon is LiNEARLY polarized].

$$ Hope this helps, ```Brian.

> >IFor PV = nkT: could the "theoretical" mass be computed in some way
> >through the temperature of a group of photons (such as sun rays) and if
> >it's possible to measure the pressure these photons generate within a
> >specific Volume of space in time (i guess?)? ...or another similar
> >formula that contains density x volume (= mass) and the number of
> >molecules? > >

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mathedman@hotmail.com.CUT - 19 Feb 2006 14:56 GMT

And you're full of the stuff that produces gas.

>Bilge wrote: > [his straw DOPPEL] > guskz@hotmail.com: > >
>> >I know they say a photon **doesn't** have a [REST] mass. > >>>
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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Particle Physics / February 2006

Space is full of photon gas.