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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Particle Physics / March 2006Explanation for Entanglement
Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. So how can you explain entanglement. One can state there there is a signal being exchanged. But the so called Kochen Specker theorem says that non-locality is not true because there are no properties before measurement so no signal is sent. But how do you explain the correleration of the entanglement especially those with faster than light distance effect. Do you think some kind of signal is still being exchanged in the unmeasured state or is space really just an illusion? But space is real, so how do you resolve this conflict. Without finding the cause, we won't have any theory of everything even if superstring theory would be mastered in the future. Once we know what's causing entanglement, then thats the time that we can get near the TOE. So we must extend effort to understand the mechanism for entanglement. Because the same mechanism can make us look at the Standard Model in different ways and angles. quantum stuff | Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. No. Nothing cannot be real. Androcles. >Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. Space is certainly an illusion for the simple reason that it is illogical. Nasty Little Truth About Space: http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/nasty.htm#Space ahahaha... Louis Savain Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It: http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm > Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. So how can you explain > entanglement. One can state there there is a signal being exchanged. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > quantum stuff This is the tripe most physicists would have you believe - about how 'un-understandable' the universe is, so let's just call this crazy stuff 'spooky' and go eat mothers' shortbread snikketts instead. Yeah right... in actuality, there is no such thing as a localized particle. The piece of the particle you can see in front of you is only a small subset of the entity, which is actually a smeared out quantum wavefunction spread over all of space. The parts we can see are real, and the parts we can't see are imaginary - but just as effectual. Looked at in this way, it is no wonder when we see the real part of the particle wiggle due to part of its imaginary wavefunction interacting with another system in the andromeda galaxy. We don't see the important parts interacting, only the part in front of our eyes reacting seemingly for no reason. You *really* need to read my web page - once you understand it, you too will laugh at the majority of egotistical thinkers in this world who say we will never understand the funny stuff. Greysky www.allocations.cc Learn how to build a FTL radio. >> Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. So how can you explain >> entanglement. One can state there there is a signal being exchanged. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > This is the tripe most physicists would have you believe - about how > 'un-understandable' the universe is, No such claim is made -it is perfectly understandable - just not in everyday terms. > so let's just call this crazy stuff 'spooky' and go eat mothers' > shortbread snikketts instead. Yeah right... in actuality, there is no such > thing as a localized particle. The piece of the particle you can see in > front of you is only a small subset of the entity, which is actually a > smeared out quantum wavefunction spread over all of space. Translation - it has no actual position. >The parts we can see are real, and the parts we can't see are imaginary - >but just as effectual. Looked at in this way, it is no wonder when we see >the real part of the particle wiggle due to part of its imaginary >wavefunction interacting with another system in the andromeda galaxy. I suspect that is where you brain is . Bill >We don't see the important parts interacting, only the part in front of our >eyes reacting seemingly for no reason. You *really* need to read my web [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > www.allocations.cc > Learn how to build a FTL radio. >>>Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. So how can you explain >>>entanglement. One can state there there is a signal being exchanged. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Translation - it has no actual position Thank you so much for that Bill, my screen just went blank a.shole :) Richard Perry >>The parts we can see are real, and the parts we can't see are imaginary - >>but just as effectual. Looked at in this way, it is no wonder when we see [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>www.allocations.cc >>Learn how to build a FTL radio. >>> Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. So how can you explain >>> entanglement. One can state there there is a signal being exchanged. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > I suspect that is where you brain is . If you could only see half as far... Greysky > Bill > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> www.allocations.cc >> Learn how to build a FTL radio. >> Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. So how can you explain >> entanglement. One can state there there is a signal being exchanged. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >egotistical thinkers in this world who say we will never understand the >funny stuff. What is the wavelength of Andromeda, saucerhead? >Greysky > >www.allocations.cc >Learn how to build a FTL radio.  SignatureOfficial Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy Official Agent of Deception Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005 "Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum." -- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief > > Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. So how can you explain > > entanglement. One can state there there is a signal being exchanged. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > www.allocations.cc > Learn how to build a FTL radio. I be a fish, too, Greysky! <g> I remember Einstein said something like, "The incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it's comprehensible," oslt. And yet, he also termed the subject in need of explanation as "spooky" (action at a distance). He said this at a time when qt was jus' a gigglin' babe, untested and unproven. Then later, when entanglement had been shown to be a reality, i believe it brought some things home to him. I think Einstein realized that even if "space as 'ether'" was not necessary for relativity to work, there was a definite need for a field theory of space in order for qt to fit together with rt. And i also believe that he was smart enough to put it together. But alas and alack! it was far too late. He wasn't about to give such power to the world which had so grossly abused his E=mc² in Japan. So he left it to posterity, probably thinking that just *maybe*... we just *might* be ready for it by the time somebody else was able to finger it out and to apply it. One plausible explanation for entanglement lies in each and every ether theory. It doesn't matter if space is static or dynamic, still or flowing. An explanation for nonlocality/entanglement cannot possibly be computed using the void-space paradigm. There absolutely *must* be a field theory of space. Space *has* to be other than a void, a nothingness. If we lend substance to our concept of "space", only then can we begin to entertain feasible explanations for such "spooky" phenomena as entanglement. Only then can we even approach the resolution of a TOE. And only then will we be privy to the rudiments of the power levels that Einstein could only dream about in his unwillingness to share them with the world. But thassokay, Greysky, mebbe it best to leave f.cked- up-enough alone? In a world that still sucks its thumb, best to keep matches away from dry fingers. Shogun, but keep bullets in pocket. When one goes all the way in the rain, it still better to wear rubber overshoe. Flow on, sweet space, Flow to this place, Make gravity our jail key... For there are none who would be free. SignatureIndelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net > > Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. So how can you explain > > entanglement. One can state there there is a signal being exchanged. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > which is actually a smeared out quantum wavefunction spread over all of > space. *Smeared out* would be the quantum mechanist's term for superposed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node26.html Sue... > The parts we can see are real, and the parts we can't see are > imaginary - but just as effectual. Looked at in this way, it is no wonder [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > www.allocations.cc > Learn how to build a FTL radio. > Space is real and not illusion, isn't it. Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. Albert Einstein Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. 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