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Do Do - 13 May 2006 21:55 GMT
If h-bar is h/2pi then it is approx .16 h.  And if h is a fundamental
minimum unit of action, what the hell is h-bar?

And don't tell me it is one revolution. That does not answer the
question.
FrediFizzx - 14 May 2006 01:05 GMT
| If h-bar is h/2pi then it is approx .16 h.  And if h is a fundamental
| minimum unit of action, what the hell is h-bar?

Why do you think h is the minimun unit of action instead of hbar?

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps

http://www.vacuum-physics.com
Do Do - 19 May 2006 16:44 GMT
>Why do you think h is the minimun unit of action instead of hbar?

Because from Planck on down everyone says so.

As to h/2pi, is that 2pi --- or 2pi radians?

If it is 2pi, I stand on my original qestion. If it is 2pi radians,
then I observe the following:

2pi radians is 360 degrees, one revolution. How kosher is it to divide
action by degrees? What do you get?
Golden Boar - 19 May 2006 19:08 GMT
> >Why do you think h is the minimun unit of action instead of hbar?
>
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> 2pi radians is 360 degrees, one revolution. How kosher is it to divide
> action by degrees? What do you get?

The radian a dimensionless unit.

If you want to think of these constants in terms or a circle, then
think on this.

h is equivalent to a circle with a circumference of 1.
hbar is equivalent to a circle with a radius of 1.

A circle with a radius of 1, is known as the unit circle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_circle
FrediFizzx - 19 May 2006 19:45 GMT
| >Why do you think h is the minimun unit of action instead of hbar?
|
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
| 2pi radians is 360 degrees, one revolution. How kosher is it to divide
| action by degrees? What do you get?

Think of angular momentum.  My work here is done.

FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
PD - 19 May 2006 18:54 GMT
> If h-bar is h/2pi then it is approx .16 h.  And if h is a fundamental
> minimum unit of action, what the hell is h-bar?
>
> And don't tell me it is one revolution. That does not answer the
> question.

You're too hung on h or hbar representing *something* like a chunk of
stuff.

What does G, the gravitational constant, represent as a chunk of
anything?

Likewise, epsilon-naught is called the permittivity of free-space, but
Coulomb's law is often written in terms of the constant k =
1/[4*pi*epsilon-naught]. So what does k represent?

PD
 
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