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Re: The Achilles Heel of String Theory.

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S D Rodrian - 06 Jul 2006 13:15 GMT
Bill Hobba wrote:
> <sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
> news:1152073626.890445.244790@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Bill Hobba wroteth:
> >> "S D Rodrian" <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
> >> news:44AAB880.2040906@sdrodrian.com...
> >> > The Achilles Heel of String Theory.
> >> >
> >> > The instant the term "dimensions" ["the number of
> >> > elements in a basis of a vector space,"  "the quality
> >> > of spatial extension] is used in any text to describe
> >> > anything which might exist apart from our reality
> >> > (universe)... you can be certain it is a science-
> >> > fiction text, and NOT science (as "the systematic
> >> > study of reality").
> >>
> >> So models have no connection to realty?
> >
> > Such an absolute statement! ]
>
> It was a question not a statement.

Was it?

> >Since you are a person
> > obviously lacking the gift of subtlety, I shall be more
> > categorical still, for your sake:
> >
> > "Some models do have a connection to reality, but
> > not all of them." NOTE that my paragraph specifies
> > those models which use so-called "dimensions."
> > Specifically: NONE of those "models" have any
> > connection with reality whatsoever (they lose all
> > connection to reality the instant the term "dimension"
> > is a mention):
>
> Then linear programming and operations
> research are out and those that make
> a living from it selling their expertise are
> fooling themselves and their
> clients.

If they are using "math shorthand" to expedite
their work they're worth the money. If they are
telling their clients the universe is rules by
supersymmetry or some other such nonsense
then they are thieves... and/or crackers.

> And out goes QM because it uses a Hilbert space
> which has - wonder
> of wonders - an infinite number of dimensions.

As long as there's an infinite number of them
it's hardly likely to be limited to any number of them
is it! You should really use your noodle, ole boy.

> You are obviously ignorant of very basic stuff.

This is true: I've never fried a steak yet that turned out
the way I would have had it turned out!

> > Why? Because if the mind can conceive of any
> > "conceivable" manifold (or, so-called dimension), then
> > that "dimension" can exist in our reality as part of
> > our so-called three-dimensional reality WITHOUT
> > having to "add anything to it" (to our 3-D reality).
> >
> > "Pushing" it OUT of our reality is an unnecessary
> > artificiality perpetrated ("mathematically") via the
> > common confusion that arises when we speak of our
> > reality as somehow strictly "3" dimensional. Or,
> >
> > HINT: If it exists inside our 3-D reality,
>
> Your proof that our reality (whatever that is)

I thought you wouldn't know what that is!

> is 3d and, for example, extra
> dimensions are not curled up on a scale
> too small to directly perceive is
> eagerly awaited. Bill

I'm going to take your word that you tried
to write a cohesive paragraph there, Bill. Let's see
if I can straighten it out properly: You tried to say
that ... no, it's totally irrational ... maybe your dog
bit you while you were typing it out...

S D Rodrian
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http://mp3.sdrodrian.com

> >? there is no
> > need for it to exist outside it. Therefore it adds nothing
> > to speak of it as "an additional" dimension (it adds
> > nothing to our reality). DOUBLE HINT:
> >
> >     There is nothing "1" dimensional in our reality.
> >
> >     Therefore it's nonsense to try to speak of
> >     anything being "2" dimensional, and therefore
> >     even more absurd to speak of anything being "3"
> >     dimensional (in reality), and so on & so on...
> >     the sequence becoming more and more absurd
> >     as it goes on.
> >
> > Hope this simplificationalism helps, but I know from
> > experience that simpletons are not necessarily always
> > the first to grasp the simplest things.
> >
> > S D Rodrian
> > http://poems.sdrodrian.com
> > http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> > http://music.sdrodrian.com
> > http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
Bill Hobba - 08 Jul 2006 02:03 GMT
> Bill Hobba wrote:
> > <sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
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>
> Was it?

Kindergarten English: '?' means question.

> > >Since you are a person
> > > obviously lacking the gift of subtlety, I shall be more
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> supersymmetry or some other such nonsense
> then they are thieves... and/or crackers.

If you can't see both are models then - well take up finger-painting -
science is not for you.

> > And out goes QM because it uses a Hilbert space
> > which has - wonder
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>
> I thought you wouldn't know what that is!

Sure - I readily admit it and also believe since those that closely study
what it is (philosphers of a certain persuasion) can not agree on it then it
is obvious you don't either.

> > is 3d and, for example, extra
> > dimensions are not curled up on a scale
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> I'm going to take your word that you tried
> to write a cohesive paragraph there, Bill.

I did.  But since you obviously have trouble determining what a '?' means
your comment is no surprise.

Bill

> Let's see
> if I can straighten it out properly: You tried to say
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> > > http://music.sdrodrian.com
> > > http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
 
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