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The relativistic mass of an electron-positron pair

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Phil Gardner - 02 Nov 2003 08:12 GMT
In relativistic mechanics the relativistic mass, M, of a particle,
defined by M^2 = (p/v)^2 = m^2 + (p/c)^2, is equal to E/c^2 only in
the limit as its (interaction) potential energy, U, goes to zero.  If
we have an isolated  electron-positron pair on a collision course that
ends in annihilation that produces two photons it seems to be
universally accepted that: the total energy, S(E), of the system is
constant throughout, reading S as "Sigma"; the total relativistic mass
of the two photons, S(M) = S(E/c^2) is constant from the end of the
quantum transition that produces them; the total relativistic mass of
the electron-positron pair varies as S(Mp) = S(M) + Mi (a/R) down to R
of order 10^-18 m, where Mi = e^2/(a c^2).

Classical models and QED both seem to assume that, as R goes to zero,
S(Mp) goes to infinity and that as a result there is discontinuous
downward jump in the total relativistic mass of the system in the
annihilation transition.  Has anyone ever explored the hypothesis that
there is no such discontinuity, ie that dS(Mp)/dt reverses in sign at
some finite R with S(Mp) going to S(M) at R = 0?

Phil Gardner
Manuel Hölß - 14 Apr 2004 13:34 GMT
| In relativistic mechanics the relativistic mass, M, of a particle,
| defined by M^2 = (p/v)^2 = m^2 + (p/c)^2, is equal to E/c^2 only in
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|
| Phil Gardner
No. The potential Energy contributes to the total relativistic mass. In
fact a Hydrogen Atom is slightly lighter than a proton plus an electron.
Mass and Energy have to be treated more or less synonymously.

Greetungs.
Phil Gardner - 24 Apr 2004 12:48 GMT
Manuel Hölß <manuel.hoelss@uni-giessen.de> wrote :

> | In relativistic mechanics the relativistic mass, M, of a particle,
> | defined by M^2 = (p/v)^2 = m^2 + (p/c)^2, is equal to E/c^2 only in
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> | Phil Gardner
> No. The potential Energy contributes to the total relativistic mass.

Surely you mean "to the total rest mass".  Are you  claiming that when
the proton-electron pair attains a kinetic energy of 1000 ev
(potential energy -1000 ev) on its way to becoming a hydrogen atom the
relativistic mass is not increased by 1000 ev?

Phil Gardner

> In fact a Hydrogen Atom is slightly lighter than a proton plus an electron.
> Mass and Energy have to be treated more or less synonymously.
>
> Greetungs.
 
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