There is no modulation, so no communication.
> There is no modulation, so no communication.
Hi Autymn,
Thanks for your reply.
I'm talking about the detection angle near Alice that communicates
itself across to the remote entangled particle near Bob, in the form of
a correlation violation. Certainly that detection angle is modulatable,
which means the correlation violation is modulatable. However, so far
we've not been able to detect the correlation violation without a
classical communication channel, in order to verify that there is
indeed a correlation violation occurring.
But now, if this Kerr microscopy method is as good as they say it is,
then that means you can pre-measure/pre-screen your entangled particles
without disturbing their entangled state. By using the Kerr method in
advance, you can pick through entangled pairs, selecting only for
partners which are spin-Up, for example.
You take all the spin-Up entangled partners for yourself, and you give
all their spin-Down counterparts to your friend. Now you perform the
Bell's Inequality experiment, throwing your spin-Up particles in the
classical way at your detector, whose angle is controllable by you for
the purpose of encoding a signal.
Your friend will at the same time be measuring the entangled
counterparts he has at his end. Whenever his particles don't show as
spin-Down, then it means there's a correlation violation, which means
that you fiddled with the detector on your end in order to transmit an
information bit.
Again, I know that this whole scenario isn't supposed to be possible,
since you're not supposed to be able to pre-scan/pre-select what the
spin states are going to be. But that Kerr microscopy technique seems
to say that you can pre-measure stuff. So which is it? Can we
pre-measure or can we not?
I'd like to hear a more definitive answer on what David Awschalom and
the Santa Barbara group have done. Because it's being widely reported
that they have indeed accomplished pre-measurement (ie. measurement
which does not disturb the electron's state)
Comments?
Autymn D. C. - 01 Jan 2007 18:12 GMT
> > There is no modulation, so no communication.
> I'm talking about the detection angle near Alice that communicates
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> classical communication channel, in order to verify that there is
> indeed a correlation violation occurring.
As the polarisation is not the signal--the signal is the
rather-arbitrary flow of spins and matter at Bob much earlier than
Alice flips the spins with the message--there is no communication.
Neither is programming: The code is written already, over a much longer
time than it would take to download it, so it doesn't violare any
causality.
> Your friend will at the same time be measuring the entangled
> counterparts he has at his end. Whenever his particles don't show as
> spin-Down, then it means there's a correlation violation, which means
> that you fiddled with the detector on your end in order to transmit an
> information bit.
It takes time for the matter to come to Bob!
> I'd like to hear a more definitive answer on what David Awschalom and
> the Santa Barbara group have done. Because it's being widely reported
> that they have indeed accomplished pre-measurement (ie. measurement
> which does not disturb the electron's state)
Eh, I already suggestd how to do that:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=%22cheat+the+HUP%22.
-Aut
hara001@hotmail.com - 04 Jan 2007 15:36 GMT
>From the article you mention :
"Upon reflection, photon and dot are entangled in the same quantum
state. If the photon is then reflected from a second dot, all three are
entangled. If the polarization of the photon is then measured, the two
quantum dots remain entangled."
To bring that quantum information up to the macroscopic domain, the
superposed states of the photon will be amplified. That will make the
photon collapse in one of its polarized state and therefore no state
superposion will be observed. This measurement process will force the
photon to collapse into one of its possible states. Therefore, the
macroscopic measurement will yeild a different outcome than the spin
states of the electrons initialy measured. As a consequence, this
process cannot be used as a FTL communication unfortunatly but good try
none the less.
-Alex
hara001@hotmail.com - 04 Jan 2007 15:40 GMT
So in other words, no measurements have been made according to the
postulates of quantum mechanics. They only entangled 3 particles
together. A feat that i'm sure has been done before. The only
interesting thing in this experiment is how they unentangled the photon
from the other electrons which they don't even seem to realize they
have done.
-Alex