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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Particle Physics / January 2007



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Atoms exist inside Spacetime..

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Quantum Ranger - 06 Jan 2007 05:13 GMT
So is the converse true, does spacetime exist within Atoms?..or is
there a difined limit?
jambaugh - 07 Jan 2007 23:56 GMT
> So is the converse true, does spacetime exist within Atoms?..or is
> there a difined limit?

What do you mean by "space-time existing"?  If you think of space-time
as being the system of relationships between atoms and other objects
then it is not "a thing which exists" but rather a systematic
description of relationships between things.  You may as well ask if
momentum space exists, or the hilbert spaces of QM, or the number pi.
They are all conceptual objects not physical objects.  I posit so too
is space-time.
Quantum Ranger - 09 Jan 2007 05:57 GMT
> > So is the converse true, does spacetime exist within Atoms?..or is
> > there a difined limit?
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> They are all conceptual objects not physical objects.  I posit so too
> is space-time.

You are course correct, my posting which I now realize should have just
stipulated the product of just "space", and of course the answer would
have to be Yes.

Products inside of atoms have motion, they have to have trancend
through a space/volume , in order that they are not detected?

At what level (discrete/seperation) does spacetime lose its systematic
ability to describe non hidden objects?

I can reduce an Orange down to its component Atoms, I can reduce an
Atom down to its componant Quarks. But what I cannot do is Separate a
single Quark away from it's nearest neighbouring products?

I am asking, at what level does reduction cease, and separation
become's the relative discription?
Chris - 11 Jan 2007 10:15 GMT
Rubbish! quarks don't exist I just made them up for a joke.

I prefer scotch eggs myself.

>> > So is the converse true, does spacetime exist within Atoms?..or is
>> > there a difined limit?
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> I am asking, at what level does reduction cease, and separation
> become's the relative discription?
 
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