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upper limit of experimental photon mass?

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tfleming - 25 Nov 2004 09:39 GMT
what is the current best estimate of the upper limit on the photon's
mass using experimental observation? I've read 4.0 x 10^(-51) kg and am
wondering what it might be according to others; jackson talks about the
separation between classical and quantum electrodynamics in this
regard.

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Jon Bell - 26 Nov 2004 07:18 GMT
> what is the current best estimate of the upper limit on the photon's
> mass using experimental observation?

I don't remember the value off-hand, but you can probably find it on the
Particle Data Group's Web site:

http://pdg.lbl.gov/

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Timo Nieminen - 26 Nov 2004 07:22 GMT
> what is the current best estimate of the upper limit on the photon's
> mass using experimental observation? I've read 4.0 x 10^(-51) kg and am
> wondering what it might be according to others; jackson talks about the
> separation between classical and quantum electrodynamics in this
> regard.

Tu et al, "The mass of the photon", Rep. Prog. Phys. 68, 77-130 (2005)
[currently on the IOP "free for 30 days" recent papers list]

Extra-terrestrial observation, perhaps somewhat speculative in some cases,
gives a lowest upper limit of 3 x 10^(-63) kg. The official "safe" figure
these days looks to be 4 x 10^(-52) kg; a more recent 1 x 10^(-52) kg was
reported earlier this year.

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eagleson2004123@yahoo.com - 26 Nov 2004 07:22 GMT
> what is the current best estimate of the upper limit on the photon's
> mass using experimental observation? I've read 4.0 x 10^(-51) kg and am
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When a gas is excited the mass of the photon emitted is related to the
states momenta.  And to limit the photon mass is to recognize the
maximum state size.  And so to postulate the largist mass of state
ever found is your question.  On the open air electron beam
experiments of the Advanced Test Accelerator the air state exceeded a
milligram. A 50 Mev and many thousands of amps beam. Or one nanosecond
pulse width and a millicoulomb per pulse.

A space charge was found and the electron spectra reversed. It was an
artifical nebula for real. A milligram might be postulated for a
single quanta deexcitation of the nebula. Highly unlikely, but
possible.

Making the theoretical limit astronomical. Except the large natural
nebula quanta never get to earth and interact on the way here.

Eagleson- Gaithersburg, MD USA
Richard Saam - 27 Nov 2004 12:38 GMT
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Eagleson

Are you saying that Podkletnov in

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0209051

may be right in producing mass anomalies.

He had a discharge of 500,000 volt at 10,000 amp with .001 joule
(6.2E+15 ev).

Richard Saam
eagleson2004123@yahoo.com - 28 Nov 2004 12:02 GMT
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He has the parameters of the nebula effect in his experiment
certainly.  A state is caused to exist in the gas.

And the superconducting radiation is another effect particular to the
experiment. Likely a magnetic field effect on the gas.

It should make a fine radio source.

Eagleson- Gaithersburg
 
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