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Hamiltonian for damped harmonic oscillator

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a student - 08 Dec 2007 01:12 GMT
In a different thread (http://groups.google.com.au/group/
sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread/836f60ae8caec5a8/
cd0d72b214648c59?hl=en#cd0d72b214648c59), as somewhat as an aside,
Igor Khavkine posed the following problem:

> BTW, if you are married to the Hamiltonian formalism when it comes
> to writing down physical theories, I invite you to construct a
> Hamiltonian model for the damped simple harmonic oscillator.

While I am not myself married to the Hamiltonian formalism, such a
construction is not difficult.  In particular, the Hamiltonian
    H(x,p) = p^2 / (2M) + (1/2) M w^2 x^2   (*)
yields the equation of motion
     d^2 x / t^2 + b dx/dt + w^2 x = 0           (**)
as required, providing that one defines the "mass" M to be the time-
dependent quantity
     M(t) := exp[ \int_0^t  ds b(s) ],
so that b(t) = d (log M)/dt.    The construction also goes through
when the "frequency" w is time-dependent.  Note that M is strictly
positive.

One can further generalise to obtain a Hamiltonian for the case where
the first term in (**) is multiplied by an arbitrary function m(t).
(as one need only then divide througout by m(t) to get an equation of
the same original form).

The corresponding Lagrangian is interesting, as it shows that the
damping may be interpreted as a redefinition of the time coordinate
and frequency of an _undamped_ oscillator.  In particular, one has the
action
      A = (1/2) \int dt M [ (dx/dt)^2 - w^2 ]
         = (1/2) \int dT [ (dx/dT)^2 - W^2 ] ,
where one defines T and W via
     dT/dt := 1 / sqrt{M}
and
     W(T) = sqrt{M} w .

I believe there have been papers suggesting that one can't
consistently quantise the damped oscillator, but the above shows that
this would be the case if and only if one couldn't consistently
quantise a time-dependent oscillator.
Chris H. Fleming - 08 Dec 2007 20:01 GMT
> In a different thread (http://groups.google.com.au/group/
> sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread/836f60ae8caec5a8/
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> this would be the case if and only if one couldn't consistently
> quantise a time-dependent oscillator.

The damped harmonic oscillator has been "quantized" by similar means
of throwing together a phenomenological Hamiltonian and making the
classical to quantum transition.

It has also been more rigorously "quantized" by modeling the friction
as arising from dissipation into a thermal bath. This is the Quantum
Brownian Motion problem. The closed system + bath has a Hamiltonian,
but the open system tracing out the bath doesn't have a Hamiltonian.
Hamiltonians evolve pure states. Ignoring the cause of friction is
open system dynamics and involves mixed states. They can have master
equations however. The QBM master equation is known. It has been
solved in various regimes.
 
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