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jacques - 07 Jan 2008 13:00 GMT
In his 1968 paper on the structure of Kerr fields, B. Carter using the
separability of the Jacobi action found a 4th constant of motion
allowing to determine the geodesic motion in such space time.

For setting the system of the four relevant differential equations  he
used the property that "the partial derivatives  of the Jacobi action
with respect to the constants of motion are themselve constant".
Where can I find a demo of such theorem?

Along the geodesic where the Jacobi action is "extremum" the constant
of motion are "constant" , but according to the form of the action the
demo is not obvious.
I guess that the action should be written in a form involving only
constants of motion by some transform, in case, the property should be
obvious. In case, how should this transform be defined?
Thanks for some explainations or a link.
a student - 18 Jan 2008 20:16 GMT
> In his 1968 paper on the structure of Kerr fields, B. Carter using the
> separability of the Jacobi action found a 4th constant of motion
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> with respect to the constants of motion are themselve constant".
> Where can I find a demo of such theorem?

I haven't read Carter's paper, but it sounds as though section 9.1 of
Goldstein's book, "Classical Mechanics", may provide what you are
looking for (Eq. 9.7 of my 1950 edition corresponds to the property
you mention).

In summary, consider a generating function S(q, P, t), where q and P
may be n-vectors, that generates a canonical transformation from
coordinates q,p and Hamiltonian H to coordinates Q, P and Hamiltonian
K.  Hence, from general canonical transformation theory, Q, p and K
are related to the generating function via
    Q = del S/del P,    p = del S/del q,  K = H + del S/del t .

Now, the special defining property of the particular generating
function corresponding to the Hamilton-Jacobi equation is that
     K = 0.
Clearly, this equation IS the Hamilton-Jacobi equation.  Hence,
Hamilton's equations of motion for coordinates Q and P follow
immediately as
    dQ/dt = del K/del P =  0, dP/dt = - del K/del Q = 0,
i.e., both Q and P are constants of the motion.  But, as noted above,
one has
   Q = del S/del P.
Hence, the partial derivative of S with respect to the constant of the
motion P is itself a constant of the motion, Q, as desired.

In practice, one solves the H-J equation to find S(q,P,t), where P
represents the n constants expected in the general solution of such a
partial differential equation (actually, there are n+1 constants, but
the last one is just an additive constant, which is ignored, as it
just redefines energy by an additive constant).  One can then
determine the momentum p and the constants of the motion  Q via the
corresponding partial derivatives.
jacques - 30 Jan 2008 15:36 GMT
> > In his 1968 paper on the structure of Kerr fields, B. Carter using the
> > separability of the Jacobi action found a 4th constant of motion
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> determine the momentum p and the constants of the motion  Q via the
> corresponding partial derivatives.

Thanks for your help.
Jacques
 
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