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Wanted: Defn of Equal Time Commutaion Relation

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leketa@rocketmail.com - 23 Feb 2008 13:00 GMT
February 20, 2008

Hello,

    I am currently working through a copy of _The Physics of Time
Reversal_ by Sachs. Sachs often refers to an "equal time commutation
relation."  I remember studying commutation relations  in Bransden &
Joachain's textbook when I took quantum mechanics, but I do not recall
any mention of  'equal time' commutation relations.

  If any one could give me a quick definition of this form of
commutation relations, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you.

LS Thomas
Ilja Schmelzer - 25 Feb 2008 19:03 GMT
On 23 Feb., 14:00, lek...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> Sachs often refers to an "equal time commutation
> relation."  I remember studying commutation relations  in Bransden &
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>    If any one could give me a quick definition of this form of
> commutation relations, I would greatly appreciate it.

You choose some system of coordinates, with a time coordinate t. You
are in the Heisenberg picture, thus, your operators depend on t. Then,
the commutation relations between operators with the same t are the
equal time commutation relations. That's all.

The point of distinguishing them is that canonical quantization
_postulates_ these equal time commutation relation. Instead,
commutation relations for operators at different times have to be
computed, using the Heisenberg equations.
DRLunsford - 26 Feb 2008 02:50 GMT
On Feb 25, 2:03 pm, Ilja Schmelzer <ilja.schmel...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> On 23 Feb., 14:00, lek...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
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> the commutation relations between operators with the same t are the
> equal time commutation relations. That's all.

It's a little more involved than that. One cannot maintain causality
unless the commutation relations for fields are imposed on a spacelike
initial hypersurface. The simplest such is t=const. in a given
referent.

-drl
Arnold Neumaier - 26 Feb 2008 22:01 GMT
leketa@rocketmail.com schrieb:
> February 20, 2008
>
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>    If any one could give me a quick definition of this form of
> commutation relations, I would greatly appreciate it.

Standard quantum mechanics is usually done in the Schroedinger picture,
in which configuration space is quantized. In terms of a relativistic
point of view, this means that space-time fields are quantized at
a fixed time, and hence all operators are operators at fixed, equal
time.

In the Heisenberg picture, operators are time-dependent, and the
canonical commutation relations only apply at fixed, equal time,
   [q(t),p(t)]=i\hbar,
whereas q(t) and p(t') at different time generally hav no simple
commutation law.

Arnold Neumaier.
Chris H. Fleming - 26 Feb 2008 22:01 GMT
On Feb 23, 8:00 am, lek...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> February 20, 2008
>
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> LS Thomas

I don't think you would see that when considering the quantum
mechanics of systems with finite degrees of freedom.

yclept.ucdavis.edu/course/242/2Q_Fradkin.pdf
 
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