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Thrust of Big Bang

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stork - 16 Mar 2008 18:24 GMT
If I look at a simple chronology for the Big Bang, I see that there's
a period between the advent of the big bang and then maybe a few
million years out where there's enough hydrogen and helium gas for the
first stars to form.  It's immensely fascinating, and I have a
question is this.

Where's the gravity?

What keeps all of this newly created matter from sinking back into a
singularity, black hole style, to begin with?
Uncle Al - 17 Mar 2008 06:08 GMT
> If I look at a simple chronology for the Big Bang, I see that there's
> a period between the advent of the big bang and then maybe a few
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> What keeps all of this newly created matter from sinking back into a
> singularity, black hole style, to begin with?

The Big Bang was an explosion of space, not in space.  It was shortly
followed by the the era of Inflation.  That rendered our lightcone out
of an infinitesimal thermodynamically connected volume stretched
locally Euclidean and cooled.  Matter did not condense out of the
fireball until everything was safe against recollapse.

We're still in the original black hole.  Every point in the universe
is at its exact center.  All 4(pi) steradians exactly equidistantly
point to the Big Bang.  That is the geometry within a black hole's
event horizon.  Light cannot escape for the simple reason that no path
points toward escape.

See?  No problem.

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Salviati - 18 Mar 2008 00:21 GMT
> We're still in the original black hole.  Every point in the universe
> is at its exact center.  All 4(pi) steradians exactly equidistantly
> point to the Big Bang.

Can you please point me to the original literature if you are not just
uttering your own guesswork?
Uncle Al - 18 Mar 2008 21:33 GMT
> > We're still in the original black hole.  Every point in the universe
> > is at its exact center.  All 4(pi) steradians exactly equidistantly
> > point to the Big Bang.
>
> Can you please point me to the original literature if you are not just
> uttering your own guesswork?

http://members.cox.net/jhaldenwang/black_hole.htm
90% down

Find a direction in which you are not exactly looking at the Big Bang
13.7 billion lightyears distant.  It's ony 4(pi) steradians of search
- and most of the work has been done for you,

<http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/map/current/>
WMAP + Sloane Digital Sky Survey

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Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply - 18 Mar 2008 21:33 GMT
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<5f383654-6023-4fc3-804c-d365ec0b7d1c@m34g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
stork <Todd.Bandrowsky@gmail.com> writes:

> If I look at a simple chronology for the Big Bang, I see that there's
> a period between the advent of the big bang and then maybe a few
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> What keeps all of this newly created matter from sinking back into a
> singularity, black hole style, to begin with?

Nothing.  It WILL recollapse---if the matter density is high enough.  
However, it will not necessarily recollapse---if the matter density is
low enough.  Think of a rocket fired from Earth---it will eventually
fall back down, unless escape velocity is reached, in which case it
won't.  The gravity is still there, but if the escape velocity is
reached, it will never win out.
 
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