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> > I'm trying to convince a friend of mine that his "revolutionary energy
> > saving" scheme is physically ridiculous. He doesn't take at face
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> AS we say in the lab, KISS.
> /_\P/_\V = energy, 101.325 jouls/liter-atm
Hmmm, I get 250 Joules/liter-atm, based on PV = (1.4-1)U. If I don't
put the 1.4-1, I get 101.325. Am I wrong in including the \gamma-1
factor?
> 1) Seal the cylinder with a piston at ambient pressure. No
> problem.
A slight complication is that he isn't planning on starting with gas
at ambient pressure and temperature. He's running this thing with
waste gas from another process, so it'll be higher than ambient
pressure and temperature. But since he has a supply of the gas at
his initial working temperature and pressure, sealing the piston at
that pressure still isn't a problem.
> 2) Compress the gas. Losses due to friction and non-adiabatic
> cylinder walls - for later.
I'm ignoring such losses right now.
> 3) Inject N2(liq). That's work - force through a distance for the
> volume injected into hot high pressure.
I don't think he thought of that issue, I know I didn't. Using the
figures he's working with, it comes to about 20J. It's something to
keep in mind, but I'm not sure of it's a significant loss.
> 4) Vaporize; down stroke.
This is the part I'm concerned with computing. I know the rest of
this is working on general principles, but I feel I really need to
show him numbers and formulas all worked out. How much energy is used
in vaporizing the N2(liq) and bringing it to equilibrium temperature
with the gas already in the cylinder? What pressure and temperature
is in the cylinder after vaporization? This is what I don't know how
to compute. Once I know that, I can compute the pressure and
temperature of the gas in the cylinder prior to venting.
> 5) Vent excess gas; cylinder is now much cooler than at start for
> vaporizing the liquid, work extracted, and venting. Loss of PV work
> for venting. Repeat.
> 6) Everything quickly cools down and little excess happens.
As I said, in the actual device he's planning, he is using heated gas
from another process as input.
> 6) What of the work expended liquefying the nitrogen? All the
> insulation on your cryogenic storage and plumbing?
I figure, based on a Carnot cycle, that to liquify 1 mole of N2 at
77K I need to pump 5.56kJ of heat out of the N2, and if I reject that
heat at 300K I'll need to use about 3 times that energy (or about
16.68kJ) to do it, assuming the theoretical highest efficiency.
That's not counting the work needed to cool the ambient N2 down to 77K
to begin with.
What of the work needed for that? He wants to use the rejected heat
(22.24kJ+/mol N2(liq)) for heating (domestic hot water, winter
heating, etc) -- and therefore free, since it displaces the energy
already used for that purpose. I can see his point, but I believe
that the amount of N2(liq) he'll get out of the process will be small
compared to the amount he'll need for the engine using it.
Never mind the insulation for the cryo storage and plumbing... I'm
wondering where he's going to get reliable injectors that'll take 77K
on one side and appromately 1000K on the other.
Uncle Al - 27 Apr 2008 23:30 GMT
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> What of the work needed for that? He wants to use the rejected heat
> (22.24kJ+/mol N2(liq)) for heating (domestic hot water, winter
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> wondering where he's going to get reliable injectors that'll take 77K
> on one side and appromately 1000K on the other.
Bosch, off the shelf, as long as nothing need be lubed other than by
the injected fluid. Automobile and diesel injectors are the cheap and
effective, high speed alternative to pulsed pumps. They needn't be
small volume either - dragster nitromethane injectors.
Finally - the data! Source ~1000K, sink -300K near zero pressure
gradient. Possible for a thermoelectric generator; really good for
Stirling engine driving a generator.
(KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid)

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