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Eliminating big perturbative corrections with problem reformulation

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Bob_for_short - 21 Jun 2009 17:33 GMT
Dear colleagues,

In recent discussions some of researchers expressed serious doubts in
possibility of eliminating big or divergent perturbative corrections
with help of the problem reformulation. Some think that the only way
to cope with them is to perform renormalizations in the frame of
existing theory. Another (better) choice of the initial (zeroth-order)
approximation seems to them impossible and/or unnecessary.

I promote the point of view that on the contrary, big perturbative
corrections is mathematically the clear sign of bad initial
approximation and nothing else. Physically it means that the zeroth-
order solutions do not catch the physics correctly - something
_very_essential_  is considered as a small perturbation. In order to
provide unambiguous examples, I considered a Sturm-Liouville Problem
by the perturbation theory (see On Perturbation Theory for the Sturm-
Liouville Problem with Variable Coefficients by Vladimir Kalitvianski
at http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.3504). Although one-dimensional, it may
contain the main features of the QFT perturbation difficulties -
divergences of matrix elements. These divergences may be eliminated by
the problem reformulation as well as by the perturbative
renormalizations. The former way is simple and direct (a short-cut)
way to obtaining finite series from the very beginning, and the latter
way is a painful and unnecessarily complicated.

Basing on these findings, I strongly believe that we should seek
reformulations of existing (renormalizable at least) QFTs in better
terms in order to 1) bypass technical and conceptual difficulties, and
2) to obtain physically meaningful solutions from the very beginning.

My question to you is the following: do you feel it necessary,
desirable, or preferable to have a short-cut to finite series with the
right physics or is it a way to be prohibited?

Regards,

Bob.
Arnold Neumaier - 22 Jun 2009 13:21 GMT
Bob_for_short schrieb:

> I promote the point of view that on the contrary, big perturbative
> corrections is mathematically the clear sign of bad initial
> approximation and nothing else.

This is not a completely new point of view. The renormalization group
approach also uses a different initial approximation, namely the
solution of a related theory with a cutoff. See, for example,

http://arxiv.org/pdf/nucl-th/9706029

> Physically it means that the zeroth-
> order solutions do not catch the physics correctly - something
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> desirable, or preferable to have a short-cut to finite series with the
> right physics or is it a way to be prohibited?

I find it necessary to provide examples how the traditional (and less
traditional) renormalization techniques relate to your proposed short-cuts.

This would promote understanding, and would make your ideas easier to
assimilate.

Indeed, many physicists are familiar with renormalization techniques
and apply it successfully to their problems. Thus they wonder why they
should learn another technique, and you'd have to provide enough
points of contact....

Also, it is relevant to understand what happens at higher order.
Renormalization theory is able to produce results at arbitrarily
high order. How is your method extended to higher orders?
Do your results agree with the results or renormalization theory?

Arnold Neumaier
Bob_for_short - 25 Jun 2009 05:59 GMT
On Jun 22, 2:21 pm, Arnold Neumaier <Arnold.Neuma...@univie.ac.at>
wrote:

> I find it necessary to provide examples how the traditional (and less
> traditional) renormalization techniques relate to your proposed short-cuts.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> should learn another technique, and you'd have to provide enough
> points of contact....

Dear Arnold,

There is no "my technique" or "my method". There is a general
methodological
approach to search better initial approximations. I do not even call
it "mine".
Yes, it is based on my own experience and I made it available to
everybody via
my journal and arXiv publications, for example:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.2635,
http://arxiv.org/abs/0811.4416, and
http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.3504.

Most of your questions are clearly posed and answered in them.

Yes, it would be nice if I could solve all "renormalization" problems
myself but my working possibilities are currently limited (you know
that from
our private correspondence).

Concerning cited by you publication with the short-range potential in
atom,
according to the author the matrix elements are finite, not divergent.
It is a
spectral sum which diverges. It has nothing in common with the
"potential
singularity" (or deepness of the short-range potential well) - the
spectral sum
diverges at any infinitely shallow potential well. His cut-off means
excluding
a part of the spectrum from consideration.
The author tries to calculate the eigenvalues by the perturbation
theory. It is
known that the exact solutions are finite and can be found
numerically. They
can also be found perturbatively but not in the frame of his approach.
Do you
want me to develop another PT approach to this problem? I repeat, I do
not
have a "special technique" or a universal formula for that. Each
problem should
be solved creatively. So even though I resolved a particular problem,
it would
not mean, generally speaking, creating a universal "technique" or
"method".

I provided sufficient number of examples in my publications. They are
simple
and more or less relevant. In particular, I "discovered" (first of all
for myself)
the positive charge atomic form-factor and generalized this physical
and
mathematical solution to an electronium. This explains clearly all
wrongness
of "vacuum polarization" physics around a "point-like charge".
I made a poll and it turned out that nobody even suspected the
positive charge
form-factor existence in atoms. Meanwhile it is an exact QM result. It
helped
me to advance the notion of electronium where the charge and the
quantized
electromagnetic field form a compound system. In other words, it
helped me to
build (or to guess) the exact solution at least for the ground
electronium state.
There is no "potential singularity" at short distances in such a
system. The divergence
appears when one tries to expand the naturally smeared potential in
powers of a
formally small parameter and integrates the resulting series over the
region where
this parameter is big (infinite). I propose not to do such expansions.

In my recent arXiv publication on the perturbation theory I provided
at least four
examples of importance of better choice of the initial approximation.
In Appendix-4
I considered also a "renormalization" approach - perturbative
treatment (resummation)
of divergent terms into new finite eigenfunctions and eigenvalues.
This also might give
finite expansions but with a lot of difficulties and complications.
That is why I insist
on better choice of the initial approximations from the very
beginning.

So I repeat my question:

Do you feel it necessary, desirable, or preferable to have a short-cut
to finite series
with the right physics or is it a way to be banned? Experts, express
yourself on this
matter, please. It is important to me to potentially extend my working
possibilities.

Regards,

Vladimir Kalitvianski.
FrediFizzx - 27 Jul 2009 20:13 GMT
> Do you feel it necessary, desirable, or preferable to have a short-cut
> to finite series
> with the right physics or is it a way to be banned? Experts, express
> yourself on this
> matter, please. It is important to me to potentially extend my working
> possibilities.

I think your question is ill-posed but doesn't really matter that much.
You should continue your work on this concept for the simple reason that
the electron is in fact permanently attached to its Coulomb field.  And
there is really no good reason to not have a model in which fermions are
modeled including their surrounding field.  IOW, if there is no
electron, then there is no surrounding Coulomb field so it should be
possible to fully describe an electron better by including the
surrounding field.

Best,

Fred Diether
Co-moderator sci.physics.foundations
 
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