Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
Biology
BiologyBotanyMicrobiologyEntomologyEvolutionPaleontology
Chemistry
General ChemistryAnalytical ChemistryElectrochemistryOrganic Synthesis
Earth Science
GeologyMineralogyOceanographyMeteorologyEarthquakes
Physics
General PhysicsResearchRelativityParticle PhysicsElectromagnetismFusionOpticsAcousticsNew Theories

Natural Science Forum / Physics / General Physics / March 2007



Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Quantum Gravity 111.4: Physicists Weren't That Good At Vector Analysis Either

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
OsherD - 31 Mar 2007 03:25 GMT
>From Osher Doctorow

Another justification for physicists' doing away with probability and
force (not to mention logic) in Quantum Field Theory is the claim that
vector fields do not allow point masses or point particles, which
seemed to them to eliminate forces and probability since points had
played an important role in them.

Vector fields are a branch of vector analysis, but vectors really are
a branch of calculus which in turn was developed by Newton and Leibniz
almost entirely on a point mass or particle basis.   It is true that a
field of vectors seems to be "distributed", but only in the sense that
a Plurality of people looks distributed even though it is composed of
nothing but Individuals.   Take away the Individuals, and you have
nothing.

But how do you formulate a point particle in vector analysis when most
of the equations do not explicitly refer to points?   First of all,
you've already chosen equations that refer to points by definition, so
you're already using garbage in-garbage out.  Secondly, you don't have
to regard vector analysis as the ONLY tool in your repertoire.
Physicists who get obsessed on one branch of mathematics often forget
that many mathematical quantities are defined piecewise, that is to
say differently on different intervals or regions.   Combinations of
different types of quantities have even been found very valuable in
Clifford algebra and Grassmann Algebra.   The same people who regard
superposition as vital cannot draw the line at particles as distinct
from fields!

Osher Doctorow
Eric Gisse - 31 Mar 2007 03:32 GMT
[...]

Morons like you seriously put into doubt the maxim of "if you ignore
them, they will go away".
OsherD - 31 Mar 2007 03:53 GMT
> Morons like you seriously put into doubt the maxim of "if you ignore
> them, they will go away".

Fantastic, Eric Gisse jowr.pi@gmsail.com of alt.magick and alt.troll
and snip junk grammar.   I had thought that the absence of moronic
readers' criticisms of me for the last few months meant that the
morons were all dead.  At least one more moron is left in Alaska, home
of the Teamsters, the Mafia, the Truckers, and the Nazis.

Osher Doctorow
Sam Wormley - 31 Mar 2007 04:07 GMT
> [...]
>
> Morons like you seriously put into doubt the maxim of "if you ignore
> them, they will go away".

  I only see "OsherD" in this newsgroup, from the very few that every
  reply to him.

   +------------+         +---------------------------------------------+
   |   PLEASE   |         |   BEST TO IGNORE ATTENTION SEEKING TROLLS   |
   |   DO NOT   |         |           LIKE OsherD -- THEY DRY           |
   |    FEED    |         |      UP AND BLOW AWAY WITHOUT FEEDBACK      |
   |     DA     |         |                                             |
   |   TROLLS   |         |    http://www.angelfire.com/space/usenet/   |
   +------------+         +---------------------------------------------+
        |  |                       |  |                     |  |
        |  |                       |  |                     |  |
        |  |                       |  |                     |  |
        |  |                       |  |                     |  |
        |  |                       |  |                     |  |
     `\  '/ / ' /               `\  '/ / ' /             `\  '/ / ' /
Noman Lapetos - 31 Mar 2007 04:40 GMT
> >From Osher Doctorow
>
> Another justification for physicists' doing away with probability

wrong

>and
> force

wrong again

(not to mention logic)

even wronger

>in Quantum Field Theory is the claim that
> vector fields do not allow point masses or point particles,

wrong again,

> which
> seemed to them to eliminate forces and probability since points had
> played an important role in them.

this mokes no sence

> Vector fields are a branch of vector analysis,

wrong again

> but vectors really are
> a branch of calculus

wrong again

> which in turn was developed by Newton and Leibniz
> almost entirely on a point mass or particle basis.

wrong again

> It is true that a
> field of vectors seems to be "distributed", but only in the sense that
> a Plurality of people looks distributed even though it is composed of
> nothing but Individuals.

wrong again

> Take away the Individuals, and you have
> nothing.

wrong concept

> But how do you formulate a point particle in vector analysis when most
> of the equations do not explicitly refer to points?

wrong still.  go read a fields book.

> First of all,
> you've already chosen equations that refer to points by definition, so
> you're already using garbage in-garbage out.

attitude, just because you do not understand anything dosen't mean that you
will.

> Secondly, you don't have
> to regard vector analysis as the ONLY tool in your repertoire.

never have, no one does.

> Physicists who get obsessed on one branch of mathematics

they do not.

>often forget
> that many mathematical quantities are defined piecewise, that is to
> say differently on different intervals or regions.

trivial

> Combinations of
> different types of quantities have even been found very valuable in
> Clifford algebra and Grassmann Algebra.

like pounds of onions ?

>The same people who regard
> superposition as vital cannot draw the line at particles as distinct
> from fields!

they do all the time....  go read a book.

> kOsher Doctorow
> ^
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2009 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.