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Natural Science Forum / Physics / General Physics / August 2007What if...?
What if human beings had both ways and means to travel interstellar- ly, and on finding a reasonably habitable planet out there, chose to settle on a planet like Earth with two moons and a year of...say, 18 months? do you think our Earthly moulded evolution would be affected by the leap to a new location? Would our maths have evolved differently if our location in space had been different? ta! n. : What if human beings had both ways and means to travel interstellar- : ly, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : leap : to a new location? Sounds a tad like Mars. Ever had "jet lag"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_lag Would our maths have evolved differently if our : location in space had been different? No. Math is pure. > : What if human beings had both ways and means to travel interstellar- > : ly, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sounds a tad like Mars. Ever had "jet lag"? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_lag Yeh, I was thinking along those lines as well, I swotted up on the ultraviolet catastrophe, and thinking back to how human perception of colour and light was strikingly different from some animals (octopuses have an enormous range), for all I know what we see as a tinge of ultraviolet is caused by some optical illusion or other. Obviouslyphysics is different. Evolution seems to be tuned to ecology, so why not consider a possibility that some creature or other somewhere... has developed extra mental arithmetic to process those additional perceptions? > Would our maths have evolved differently if our > : location in space had been different? > > No. Math is pure. : > : What if human beings had both ways and means to travel interstellar- : > : ly, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] : developed extra mental arithmetic to process those additional : perceptions? You are confusing Nature with mathematics. They are independent. We have computers and calculators to do our mental arithmetic. <shrug> Computers work on binary arithmetic, 0 and 1, on and off, true and false. It would not matter if whales and dolphins, spider and flies or wolves and sheep developed mathematics, you can't get any simpler than 1 and 0. Collectively, we humans have all the concepts you can imagine and more besides. The principle of mathematics is to dig down to the most primitive axioms and build up more complicated theorems, proving every step along the way. : > Would our maths have evolved differently if our : > : location in space had been different? : > : > No. Math is pure. > : > : What if human beings had both ways and means to travel interstellar- > : > : ly, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > : > > : > No. Math is pure. Yes of course. I was simply trying to come up with some different angles, everybody generally agrees to a beginning, middle and end, although someone I know used to say that these were functioning aspects in a more complex system, that they don't exist without a before bit and an afterwards too. I mean to say, I'd agree that it would be crazy to seriously suggest that if Newton had been an octopus how many colours in the spectrum there'd have been and what theory an developments would have transpired, but it makes for an amusing exercise :) : > : > : What if human beings had both ways and means to travel interstellar- : > : > : ly, [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] : aspects in a more complex system, that they don't exist without : a before bit and an afterwards too. Not everbody, I don't. Nor did Bertrand Russell before he changed his mind. Nature is not a democracy we can vote a concensus of opinion over. I'll not listen to mob rule as an argument. The Universe always was. Prove otherwise. : I mean to say, I'd agree that it would be crazy to seriously : suggest that if Newton had been an octopus how many colours in : the spectrum there'd have been and what theory an developments : would have transpired, but it makes for an amusing exercise :) Nature has enough mysteries left to solve, humanity doesn't need to muse to amuse. http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Algol/Algol.htm http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Analemmae/Analemmae.htm http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Copernicus/LCV.htm > : > : > : What if human beings had both ways and means to travel > interstellar- [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Analemmae/Analemmae.htm > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Copernicus/LCV.htm I'll have to read more, theres infrared divergence also and I've just found a reference to 'soft photons' which (unsuprisingly) I'd never heard of. Your animations are amazing ! the 'Copernicus' looks fascinating ! - Thinking about math and geometry in general, how its written and understood must vary tremendously, http://www.symbols.com/ is extensive, n. |
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