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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad goes to Bolivia

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rick_sobie@hotmail.com - 29 Sep 2007 12:24 GMT
So you went to see for yourself?
Well I can show you something. It is not much but something that I
found...

In 1609, the Inca Garcilaso de la Vega published the first volume of
his Royal Commentaries of the Incas in Lisbon. The second volume
appeared posthumously in 1617. Over seventy years had elapsed since
the Spanish conquistadors led by Francisco Pizarro had first set eyes
on the empire on the Incas.
(Garcilaso de la Vega was the son of a Conquistador. That date is
questionable see below)

[quote]
"As there is in Peru a story of some giants who landed on the coast at
the point of Santa Elena, in the vicinity of the city of Puerto Viejo,
I have resolved to mention what I was told about them, as I understood
it, without taking into account the opinions of the common people and
their various anecdotes, for they usually magnify events larger than
life. The natives, repeating a story received from their forefathers
from very remote times, say that there came from across the sea on
reed rafts that were as large as big ships some men that were so big
that an ordinary man of good size scarcely reached up to knees: their
members were in proportion to the size of their bodies, and it a
monstrous thing to see their enormous heads and their hair hanging
dawn about their shoulders."

...

""When these great men or giants had thus made their settlement and
dug these wells or cisterns, they destroyed and ate all the supplies
they could find in the neighborhood. It is said that one of them ate
more than fifty of the natives of the land; and as the supply of food
was not sufficient for them to maintain themselves, they caught much
fish with nets and gear that they had. They lived in continuous
hostility with the natives, because they slew the latter's women in
order to have them, and they also slew the men for other reasons. But
the Indians were not numerous enough to kill these newcomers who
occupied their land and lorded it over them; and although they held
great discussions about this, they never dared attack them."

...

"In the present year of 1550 when in the city of Lima, I heard that
when his excellency Don Antonio de Mendoza was viceroy and governor of
New Spain, certain bones of men as big as these giants, and even
bigger, were found there. I have heard too that in an ancient
sepulcher in the city of Mexico or somewhere else in that kingdom
certain bones of giants have been found. Since so many people saw them
and attest having done so, it can therefore be credited that such
giants did exist and indeed they may all have been of the same race."

So anyways I found the cisterns that these giants made and they are
above Cusco in Peru.
http://s2.supload.com/free/giant_cistern-9-4-2007.jpg/view/

Its very very ancient. Difficult to say just how ancient. The steps
leading up to it, are something like 8 or 10 feet tall.
You can see the tiny stones of the Incas sitting on them here...
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/23402

And there is few more cisterns up higher and to the west, as part of a
large water system they made.
It may be a million years old I don't know.
The footprints in Mexico have been dated to 1.3 million but they were
not giants.

There is apparently a private gold museum somewhere around Lima, which
has some giant heads on display.
And well, these are not the same giants. Someone just wants us to
believe they were Inca giants.
A man 8 foot tall, couldn't get up one of those steps and couldn't
move a block 600 tons which is the size of blocks they built with.
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/S.Am/Royal.Incas.html

There is a lot of mystery in that region. They say it is enchanted,
and the art work in their textiles found in Nazca, tell it like it
is...
This was found in one of the tombs near Nazca around 2000 years old.
http://s2.supload.com/free/nazcaweave.jpg/view/

As you can see, that is what the rocks look like from the air,
everywhere you look.

There are faces and people and creatures in the rock.
Like so...
http://s2.supload.com/free/Nazca-Ica-Peru-9-5-2007.jpg/view/
http://s2.supload.com/free/NearIcaPeru-9-5-2007.jpg/view/
http://s2.supload.com/free/NazcaHead-9-5-2007.jpg/view/

These are all several miles long. And they are all over the place
where there is some significance of some kind, like Nazca, Ica and
Huerta in Peru.

http://s2.supload.com/free/Fu-Man-Zeus-9-5-2007.jpg/view/

Its almost like we have found proof of the matrix isn't it?

http://www.umich.edu/~classics/news/newsletter/winter2003/incas.html

Anyways I wouldn't go near that meteorite crater near the border of
Bolivia that fell last week, I hear it made some people sick.
rick_sobie@hotmail.com - 29 Sep 2007 12:48 GMT
On Sep 29, 12:24 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
> So you went to see for yourself?
> Well I can show you something. It is not much but something that I
[quoted text clipped - 90 lines]
> Anyways I wouldn't go near that meteorite crater near the border of
> Bolivia that fell last week, I hear it made some people sick.

In what way do the Iranian people fit in with this history?
Well I think that we came from space and landed there, and on board
were several different races, one of which as you can see, looks a bit
Japanese, but also there was a proto-Indian race, (as in the people
from India) which doesn't appear there that I have seen yet, but I
have been told about it, and a group of people migrated from that
region, (Bolivia and Peru), to India, and then from there to
Mesopotamia, and that is where you ended up.
rick_sobie@hotmail.com - 29 Sep 2007 13:09 GMT
On Sep 29, 12:48 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 29, 12:24 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
> region, (Bolivia and Peru), to India, and then from there to
> Mesopotamia, and that is where you ended up.

Do I think this character has some mixed race in him as well?
http://s2.supload.com/free/NearIcaPeru-9-5-2007.jpg/view/

Well he looks a bit like a black American in a way too doesn't he. But
it is difficult to tell.
Chances are that recessive genes in these people surfaced in some
groups, or there were other people who were more distinct in those
race groups.
I will merely let the data speak for itself and people can reach their
own conclusions.
Myself, I know these people, even today, and I know their nationality.
They are in the force as they say in Star Wars.
How that is possible God only knows.
But their nationality as it appears to me, they are Caucasian. But
then what is a Caucasian really?
Indian people are also classified as Caucasians, and we are all of
mixed race now, and we all share the same DNA.
If these rock images are not just part of the programming of the
matrix universe, and they were actually carved from the rock, then
they may have been made by the giants, who may have been spoken of in
the Bible.
The Nephlim.
The interpretation of these giants in 1550 would of course be biased
in favor of the Biblical tradition so that information should be taken
with a grain of salt. But you can see the similarities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

The data does point to civilization starting in that region, and
spreading elsewhere around the globe.
Not starting in Mesopotamia as many today believe.
rick_sobie@hotmail.com - 30 Sep 2007 00:46 GMT
On Sep 29, 12:24 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
> So you went to see for yourself?
> Well I can show you something. It is not much but something that I
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
> A man 8 foot tall, couldn't get up one of those steps and couldn't
> move a block 600 tons which is the size of blocks they built with.http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/S.Am/Royal.Incas.html

You can see in this detail here the cistern, top right, the buttresses
around the cistern, and the water pathway, where the rock is worn,
from the water flowing over it.
http://s2.supload.com/free/detail-9-29-2007.jpg/view/

You see people believe that this was made the Incas, who had no tools,
so they claim they did it my using pounding rocks, that you hold in
your hand.
Well the Inca couldn't lift those stones. This water system, was made
by giants.
Giants which were destroyed in a cataclysm, some time in earths
ancient history.
At the same time that mega fauna went extinct, they probably went
extinct along with them.

The Bible calls that the Biblical flood. It calls these people the
Nephilim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

If you want to read what archaeologists tell you this cistern is you
can see it here...
They think that the Incas, who had no tools, made all that as a
decoration, to make it look, like the head of a puma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacsayhuaman

Someone needs to dig down to bedrock, in that cistern, and date those
organisms in the silt, unless you are too terrified of the truth.
rick_sobie@hotmail.com - 30 Sep 2007 02:19 GMT
> You can see in this detail here the cistern, top right, the buttresses
> around the cistern, and the water pathway, where the rock is worn,
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Someone needs to dig down to bedrock, in that cistern, and date those
> organisms in the silt, unless you are too terrified of the truth.

One of the man made tunnels from that cistern system, flow under
Cusco, for 2 km, at a depth of approx 100 meters below Cusco City, to
another site, where it was taken over by the Incas and called their
own, and then taken over by the Spanish, where they built a wonderful
convent on the site.
But if you examine the hallway which still remains, you can see the
doorway is over 10 feet high, and so it is probable that the height of
the builders, the Nephilim may have been 10 feet.
http://s2.supload.com/free/inca-walls-cc-drp.jpg/view/

But keep in  mind the well funded concerted effort to destroy all
trace of these people by the Spanish over a period of 500 years.
Destroying what they could not carry back to Spain, and tearing down
their stone work and employing others to make it look like it was made
by the Incas, using other means wherever possible.

But the Incas did not have tools, so tunneling under solid rock, for 2
km with pounding stones is just not possible.
This is where one water tunnel from that cistern leads to 2 km away
from the source.
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/peru/cusco-koricancha.htm
rick_sobie@hotmail.com - 30 Sep 2007 02:56 GMT
"When Pizarro first came to Peru, he arranged a meeting with the Inca
Atahulpa.  The Incas came to the meeting unarmed, and Pizarro ambushed
them, killed thousands of them, and took Atahualpa hostage.  To try to
gain his freedom, Atahulpa offered as ransom all of the gold and
silver at Coricancha.  Pizarro sent three of his roughest
conquistadors to collect the ransom, and the three of them by
themselves apparently destroyed one of the wonders of the world.  They
tore the gold off of the walls, melted it down along with almost
everything else, and took it all from Cusco to Pizarro.  After Pizarro
received the ransom, he killed Atahulpa.  Later, after the conquest
had been completed, the Spaniards, being Spaniards, destroyed most of
what was left and built a Catholic church on top of the remains.

In 1950, an earthquake toppled the Spanish church and exposed the Inca
walls.  Today, the site is combination Inca temple, Catholic church,
and modern museum--an eclectic mix of Inca walls, Spanish colonial,
and modern.  This is where the best Inca walls are, and walking around
here, it's hard not to think of what might have been.  Only a couple
of hundred people destroyed an entire civilization, and if the
Spaniards had never come, what would have happened?  Probably other
Europeans would have come, and they also would have had guns and armor
and horses, and they would have also conquered the Incas.  But whoever
they would have been, they probably wouldn't have been as intent on
total destruction as the Spaniards, and many more of the Incas, their
civilization, and their accomplishments might have survived. "

Its interesting that after the earthquake, in 1950, some of the
original site was discovered under the church. However in 1950, that
would be far to late for them to destroy it, and so it has been
preserved.
rick_sobie@hotmail.com - 30 Sep 2007 03:03 GMT
On Sep 30, 2:56 am, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
> "When Pizarro first came to Peru, he arranged a meeting with the Inca
> Atahulpa.  The Incas came to the meeting unarmed, and Pizarro ambushed
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> would be far to late for them to destroy it, and so it has been
> preserved.

And the legend of how Cusco came to be, is that an earlier
civilization from Tiahuancu, made the site, and the people who settled
in the Cusco valley, just inherited the site.
Tiahuancu, also was a giant city, with a dock, which is now 15 km from
lake Titicaca where it once was in the water.
And yes Tiahuanacu was also destroyed by the Spanish, and the job
finished within the last 20 years where a well funded program, rebuilt
it to look like it was done by the Incas. Under the direction of
modern archaeologists, rocks were broken fdown into smaller pieces and
the thing redesigned to look like it was an Incan ruin reconstructed.
 
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