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Unravelling the mysteries of coiling ropes

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Sam Wormley - 26 Oct 2007 05:14 GMT
Unravelling the mysteries of coiling ropes
  http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/31564;jsessionid=F2B86CF9053C797422EE96
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  If you carefully lower a rope onto the floor it will probably form a
  neat coil. While most people wouldn't give this a second thought, an
  international team of physicists has done a series of experiments and
  numerical simulations to work out why. Their new insights into
  coiling could shed light on the behaviour of an important class of
  materials called "elastic ropes", which includes DNA molecules and
  structural reinforcing rods in buildings (Phys. Rev. Lett. 99
  154302).

  Neil Ribe at the University of Paris-7 and colleagues in Iran and the
  Netherlands used a reel powered by an electric motor to feed ordinary
  rope or thread down through a hole and onto a glass or paper plate
  below. The rate of descent and the distance between the reel and the
  plate could be changed, allowing the team to study coiling over a
  wide range of speeds and drop lengths. A second set of similar
  experiments looked at the coiling of soft strands of spaghetti.

  Ribe told physicsworld.com that the team is the first to perform
  controlled lab experiments on coiling and their use of different
  materials allowed them to build up a comprehensive understanding of
  why some ropes coil and others don't.

  According to Ribe, one surprise result is that the coiling always
  occurred at several different "frequencies" for fixed values of the
  feed rate and fall distance. These frequencies correspond to the
  vibrational modes of the nearly vertical upper part of the falling
  rope. They discovered that coiling occurs when any of these
  frequencies matches the angular frequency at which bottom end of the
  rope whirls into a coil.

  The team were also able to describe their observations in a numerical
  model that treated coiling as a fine balancing act between elastic,
  gravitational and inertial forces acting on the rope. According to
  Ribe the model was able to reproduce the observed multi-frequency
  nature of coiling.

  "This is an exciting paper, which details the many different coiling
  patterns in an elastic rope," says Herbert Huppert, a geophysicist at
  the UK's University of Cambridge who has an interest in such
  materials. "The agreement [between experiment and numerical model]
  gives confidence to the detailed and complex nature of this sub-field
  of highly nonlinear dynamical systems, in contrast to many other
  situations for which the description is at best qualitative. Many a
  physicist is going to enjoy playing with his pasta after reading this
  paper."

  Everyday ropes are the simplest example of elastic ropes -- a class
  of materials that includes encompassing electrical cables, plant
  vines, DNA and steel rods. Elastic ropes can act as nonlinear
  dynamical systems, the behaviour of which can be very difficult to
  understand. Ribe and colleagues hope that their simple experiments
  will cast light on the complex nature of these common materials.
Edward Green - 28 Oct 2007 21:49 GMT
> Unravelling the mysteries of coiling ropes
>    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/31564;jsessionid=F2B86CF9053...
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>    frequencies matches the angular frequency at which bottom end of the
>    rope whirls into a coil.

What is a "frequency", and how does it differ from a frequency?
Androcles - 28 Oct 2007 21:57 GMT
: > Unravelling the mysteries of coiling ropes

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/31564;jsessionid=F2B86CF9053...

: >    If you carefully lower a rope onto the floor it will probably form a
: >    neat coil. While most people wouldn't give this a second thought, an
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
:
: What is a "frequency", and how does it differ from a frequency?

What is a "time", and how does it differ from a time?

'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A' because I SAY SO and you have to
agree because I'm the great genius, STOOOPID, don't you
dare question it. -- Rabbi Albert Einstein

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/tAB=tBA.gif

"I know that in the past Androcles has used tAB=tBA to
claim Einstein thinks tau_AB = tau_BA (the travel
times in the frame in which the clocks at A and B are
moving)." -- Blind "I'm not a troll" Poe.
  http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img21.gif

"Neither [frame] is stationary, which is your problem." -- Blind
"I'm not a troll" Poe.
Ref: news:1189468758.944626.39450@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com

'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B doesn't equal the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A in the stationary system, obviously.' --
Heretic Jan Bielawski, assistant light-bulb changer.

Ref: news:1188363019.673281.67710@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com

"SR is GR with G=0." -- Uncle Stooopid.

The Uncle Stooopid doctrine:
 http://sound.westhost.com/counterfeit.jpg

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without
evidence." -- Uncle Stooopid.

"Counterfactual assumptions yield nonsense.
If such a thing were actually observed, reliably and reproducibly, then
relativity would immediately need a major overhaul if not a complete
replacement." -- Humpty Roberts.

Rabbi Albert Einstein in 1895 failed an examination that would
have allowed him to study for a diploma as an electrical engineer
at the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule in Zurich
(couldn't even pass the SATs).

According to Phuckwit Duck it was geography and history that Einstein
failed on, as if  Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule would give a
damn. That tells you the lengths these lying bastards will go to to
protect their tin god, but its always a laugh when they slip up.
Trolls, the lot of them.

"This is PHYSICS, not math or logic, and "proof" is completely
irrelevant." -- Humpty Roberts.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Oct 2007 21:39 GMT
Sam  Phone cords always twist in one direction. DNA has its twisting in
one direction. We now know why this is so. It took me years to figure
out why my 25 foot vacuum cleaner cord alway ended up with a figure 8
knot in the exact middle. Even little tricky stuff like a Mobius strip
can make you dizzy.  We must never pass things off as "That's just the
way it is"  Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 31 Oct 2007 23:39 GMT
Treb  Just thinks he is funny putting two figure 8 knots in my vacuum
cleaner cord. this morning.    He know I'm not giving him any of my
spacetime unless he gives me all 6 numbers to the Florida lotto. Until
that happens he is shut off. Bert
 
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