> Consider a doughnut shaped sheet metal object, split around the periphery
> so that it can be separated into two halves.
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> Ian Macmillan
Watt exactly is being amplified?
> If the assembly passes through a toroidal winding a voltage would be
> induced in it to drive a current in an external load that would be
> proportional to the strength of the solenoid field and the rate of
> rotation of the moving half assembly, so that the device would act as a
> mechanically driven amplifier.
Excuse me Ian, but what is the point of all this low-efficiency
apparatus? Any generator (Faraday or conventional) can become an
"amplifier" if you modulate the field. There was a popular device
back in the 1940s called an "amplidyne" (if I recall correctly) that
worked on this principle. In fact, I used to control the field
current in the university cyclotron using an amplidyne which fed the
field of a large DC generator which actually supplied the heavy
current. Very fine control was possible. The large problem with the
system however, was that due to phase shifts and lags in the mechanics
of it, the whole thing was rather marginally stable. A nice solid
state high current transistor array would have done a much better job.
Ian Macmillan - 29 Dec 2007 22:55 GMT
> > If the assembly passes through a toroidal winding a voltage would be
> > induced in it to drive a current in an external load that would be
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> of it, the whole thing was rather marginally stable. A nice solid
> state high current transistor array would have done a much better job.
Well, of course, its just a curiosity. Pretty obviously its an impracticable
contraption that might however be of interest to those with an interest in
such things...
By the way, it potentially amplifies the signal from the solenoid
All the best
Ian Macmillan
Ian Macmillan - 29 Dec 2007 23:23 GMT
> > If the assembly passes through a toroidal winding a voltage would be
> > induced in it to drive a current in an external load that would be
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> of it, the whole thing was rather marginally stable. A nice solid
> state high current transistor array would have done a much better job.
Amplidyne eh?
I junked an ancient 100 HP Ward Leonard system only last year. A carbon
filament lamp was dangled out of the control panel, presumably central to
system stability...
All the best
Ian Macmillan
John Bailey - 30 Dec 2007 14:28 GMT
>> > If the assembly passes through a toroidal winding a voltage would be
>> > induced in it to drive a current in an external load that would be
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>> apparatus?
>Amplidyne eh?
Ian,
Thanks for posting this.
I am always interested in non-electronic amplifiers. The familiar
examples are: the capstan amplifier (
http://homepage.mac.com/a.eppendahl/work/torque-amp.html )
and the liquid container with drain hole which acts as an amplifier of
velocity of rotation
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.mech.fluids/msg/ece9873741ce11f2
"Fluid motion is governed by the equation (partial with respect
to)(P( )/dr) r(2*pi()*u*l*r^3*(dw/dr))= 0 This leads to the solution
omega, w = k/r^2 + C, which under given boundary conditions leads to
the conclusion that omega_d, the angular velocity of water at the edge
of the hole is on the order of 10^4 greater than at the margin of the
pan.
Hopefully others will supply examples.
Ian Macmillan - 30 Dec 2007 22:34 GMT
> Ian,
> Thanks for posting this.
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> Hopefully others will supply examples.
John, heres another one for you...
A simple mechanical servo amplifier:
Consider a plate sprocket mounted on a threaded section of a shaft. A
similar sprocket with a bearing, is mounted each side of the first
sprocket, separated from it by an oiled felt (or Teflon) friction disc.
The shaft has provision to control the clearance between the sprockets
and friction discs, to contain lateral thrust, and is mounted on
suitable bearings.
The input is by turning the shaft. The output is from the central
sprocket. The outer sprockets are driven in contra-rotation such as to
tend to drive the threaded centre sprocket away from them if the shaft is
at rest. At rest, little or no torque is delivered to the centre
sprocket which remains at rest.
As soon as the input shaft is turned, the thread moves the centre
sprocket towards the driven sprocket that rotates in the same direction.
If the output over-runs, the thread backs it off so that the output is
synchronised to the input.
Oiled felt or Teflon friction discs are generally used in low torque
applications to minimise hunting, there being little difference between
the starting and running friction.
A bidirectional drive is described, but a single direction drive with a
fixed brake disc is an alternative. A common present day implementation
of this is in hand winches with automatic brakes.
You might also be interested in this:
http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/011/ibmrd0101H.pdf
All the best
Ian Macmillan