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FIELD CONCEPT OF LIGHT, EMISSION THEORY, END OF PHYSICS

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Pentcho Valev - 27 May 2008 05:55 GMT
http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/homepage/cv.html#forthcoming
"Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Problems in the
Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies that Led him to it." in Cambridge
Companion to Einstein, M. Janssen and C. Lehner, eds., Cambridge
University Press. Preprint.
John Norton: "Einstein could not see how to formulate a fully
relativistic electrodynamics merely using his new device of field
transformations. So he considered the possibility of modifying
Maxwell's electrodynamics in order to bring it into accord with an
emission theory of light, such as Newton had originally conceived.
There was some inevitability in these attempts, as long as he held to
classical (Galilean) kinematics. Imagine that some emitter sends out a
light beam at c. According to this kinematics, an observer who moves
past at v in the opposite direction, will see the emitter moving at v
and the light emitted at c+v. This last fact is the defining
characteristic of an emission theory of light: the velocity of the
emitter is added vectorially to the velocity of light emitted....If an
emission theory can be formulated as a field theory, it would seem to
be unable to determine the future course of processes from their state
in the present. AS LONG AS EINSTEIN EXPECTED A VIABLE THEORY LIGHT,
ELECTRICITY AND MAGNETISM TO BE A FIELD THEORY, these sorts of
objections would render an EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT INADMISSIBLE."

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf/files/975547d7-2d00-433a-b7e3-4a09145525ca.pdf
Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that PHYSICS CANNOT
BE BASED UPON THE FIELD CONCEPT, that is on continuous structures.
Then NOTHING WILL REMAIN of my whole castle in the air, including the
theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics."

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev - 29 May 2008 08:11 GMT
> http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/homepage/cv.html#forthcoming
> "Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Problems in the
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
> physics."

For the moment the Reverend John Stachel is the only Einsteinian that
has no problems with Newton's emission theory of light:

http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/essay-einstein-relativity.htm
This reprints an essay written ca. 1983, "'What Song the Syrens Sang':
How Did Einstein Discover Special Relativity?" in John Stachel,
Einstein from "B" to "Z".
"This was itself a daring step, since these methods had been developed
to help understand the behavior of ordinary matter while Einstein was
applying them to the apparently quite different field of
electromagnetic radiation. The "revolutionary" conclusion to which he
came was that, in certain respects, electromagnetic radiation behaved
more like a collection of particles than like a wave. He announced
this result in a paper published in 1905, three months before his SRT
paper. The idea that a light beam consisted of a stream of particles
had been espoused by Newton and maintained its popularity into the
middle of the 19th century. It was called the "emission theory" of
light, a phrase I shall use.....Giving up the ether concept allowed
Einstein to envisage the possibility that a beam of light was "an
independent structure," as he put it a few years later, "which is
radiated by the light source, just as in Newton's emission theory of
light.".....An emission theory is perfectly compatible with the
relativity principle. Thus, the M-M experiment presented no problem;
nor is stellar abberration difficult to explain on this
basis......This does not imply that Lorentz's equations are adequate
to explain all the features of light, of course. Einstein already knew
they did not always correctly do so-in particular in the processes of
its emission, absorption and its behavior in black body radiation.
Indeed, his new velocity addition law is also compatible with an
emission theory of light, just because the speed of light compounded
with any lesser velocity still yields the same value. If we model a
beam of light as a stream of particles, the two principles can still
be obeyed. A few years later (1909), Einstein first publicly expressed
the view that an adequate future theory of light would have to be some
sort of fusion of the wave and emission theories......The resulting
theory did not force him to choose between wave and emission theories
of light, but rather led him to look forward to a synthesis of the
two."

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html
John Stachel: "Not only is the theory [of relativity] compatible with
an emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of
light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also
requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an
absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that
radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain
circumstances."

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Androcles - 29 May 2008 10:07 GMT
> http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/homepage/cv.html#forthcoming
> "Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Problems in the
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
> physics."

For the moment the Reverend John Stachel is the only Einsteinian that
has no problems with Newton's emission theory of light:

http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/essay-einstein-relativity.htm
This reprints an essay written ca. 1983, "'What Song the Syrens Sang':
How Did Einstein Discover Special Relativity?" in John Stachel,
Einstein from "B" to "Z".
"This was itself a daring step, since these methods had been developed
to help understand the behavior of ordinary matter while Einstein was
applying them to the apparently quite different field of
electromagnetic radiation. The "revolutionary" conclusion to which he
came was that, in certain respects, electromagnetic radiation behaved
more like a collection of particles than like a wave. He announced
this result in a paper published in 1905, three months before his SRT
paper. The idea that a light beam consisted of a stream of particles
had been espoused by Newton and maintained its popularity into the
middle of the 19th century. It was called the "emission theory" of
light, a phrase I shall use.....Giving up the ether concept allowed
Einstein to envisage the possibility that a beam of light was "an
independent structure," as he put it a few years later, "which is
radiated by the light source, just as in Newton's emission theory of
light.".....An emission theory is perfectly compatible with the
relativity principle. Thus, the M-M experiment presented no problem;
nor is stellar abberration difficult to explain on this
basis......This does not imply that Lorentz's equations are adequate
to explain all the features of light, of course. Einstein already knew
they did not always correctly do so-in particular in the processes of
its emission, absorption and its behavior in black body radiation.
Indeed, his new velocity addition law is also compatible with an
emission theory of light, just because the speed of light compounded
with any lesser velocity still yields the same value. If we model a
beam of light as a stream of particles, the two principles can still
be obeyed. A few years later (1909), Einstein first publicly expressed
the view that an adequate future theory of light would have to be some
sort of fusion of the wave and emission theories......The resulting
theory did not force him to choose between wave and emission theories
of light, but rather led him to look forward to a synthesis of the
two."

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html
John Stachel: "Not only is the theory [of relativity] compatible with
an emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of
light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also
requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an
absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that
radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain
circumstances."

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com

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Stachel's long-winded rant boil's down to nothing.

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Androcles

Why did Einstein say
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the "time" each way is the same?

 http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

G. L. Bradford - 29 May 2008 11:29 GMT
> http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/homepage/cv.html#forthcoming
> "Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Problems in the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> ELECTRICITY AND MAGNETISM TO BE A FIELD THEORY, these sorts of
> objections would render an EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT INADMISSIBLE."

 You really do not understand the concept of 'photo' do you? Or 'time
stop'? Or that the source doesn't stop; never stops. Light never propagates
as source (0) but as [already] history (-). Regarding light and sources,
observers can only [try] to deal in the space and time difference (+)
between (-) and (0).

GLB
Pentcho Valev - 05 Jun 2008 19:20 GMT
> For the moment the Reverend John Stachel is the only Einsteinian that
> has no problems with Newton's emission theory of light:
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain
> circumstances."

Curiously, John Stachel and John Norton are friends, write books
together, sell them to Einstein zombie world and share the money.
However, while John Stachel teaches that Einstein's relativity and
Newton's emission theory of light are compatible, John Norton teaches
the opposite:

http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Goodies/rel_of_sim/index.html
John Norton: "But an emission theory is precluded in special
relativity by the part of the light postulate that asserts that the
velocity of light is independent of the velocity of the emitter."

Einstein zombie world invariably sings "Divine Einstein".

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev - 10 Jul 2008 00:07 GMT
> > For the moment the Reverend John Stachel is the only Einsteinian that
> > has no problems with Newton's emission theory of light:
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
>
> Einstein zombie world invariably sings "Divine Einstein".

An even more curious case. Bryan Roberts is a teaching assistant for
John Norton and this Bryan Roberts teaches Einstein zombie world that
the Michelson-Morley experiment gives support to Einstein's 1905 light
postulate:

http://www.soulphysics.org/2008_04_01_archive.html
Bryan Roberts: "The Michelson-Morley experiment (read the original
paper here) is one of the first textbook experiments that you learn
about in support of the light postulate. From this postulate, together
with the principle of relativity, it is easy to derive the group of
Lorentz transformations, which form the basis for special relativity
theory."

Bryan Roberts' boss, John Norton, teaches Einstein zombie world that
the Michelson-Morley experiment gives support to Newton's emission
theory that contradicts Einstein's 1905 light postulate:

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as
evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost
universally use it as support for the light postulate of special
relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE
WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT
POSTULATE."

Einstein zombie world invariably sings "Divine Einstein".

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev - 10 Jul 2008 20:24 GMT
> > > For the moment the Reverend John Stachel is the only Einsteinian that
> > > has no problems with Newton's emission theory of light:
[quoted text clipped - 83 lines]
>
> Einstein zombie world invariably sings "Divine Einstein".

http://www.soulphysics.org/2008/04/string-time-in-pittsburgh-part-i.html
Bryan Roberts, teaching assistant for John Norton: "For example, think
about 19th century electrodynamics. The `paradigm' of this theory 1)
included an ontology of the luminiferous ether, of which it 2) was
incapable of determining the state of rest. It also 3) fixed the speed
of light, independent of one's inertial frame. Special relativity
allowed for a new view of electromagnetism by rejecting 1, retaining 2
and 3, and deriving the relativity of simultaneity as a consequence."

Silly Bryan Roberts teaches John Norton's students that 19th century
electrodynamics "fixed the speed of light, independent of one's
inertial frame" and John Norton, the cleverest Einsteinian, is happy
with that! Something very strange is going on in Einstein criminal
cult...

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev - 13 Jun 2008 20:42 GMT
> http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/homepage/cv.html#forthcoming
> "Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Problems in the
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
> physics."

http://www.academie-sciences.fr/membres/in_memoriam/Einstein/Einstein_pdf/Einste
in_eloge.pdf

Louis de Broglie: "Tout d'abord toute idée de <<grain>> se trouvait
expulsée de la théorie de la Lumière : celle-ci prenait la forme d'une
<<théorie du champ>> où le rayonnement était représenté par une
répartition continue dans l'espace de grandeurs évoluant continûment
au cours du temps sans qu'il fût possible de distinguer, dans les
domaines spatiaux au sein desquels évoluait le champ lumineux, de très
petites régions singulières où le champ serait très fortement
concentré et qui fournirait une image du type corpusculaire. Ce
caractère à la fois continu et ondulatoire de la lumière se trouvait
prendre une forme très précise dans la théorie de Maxwell où le champ
lumineux venait se confondre avec un certain type de champ
électromagnétique."

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev - 14 Jun 2008 05:33 GMT
> > http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/homepage/cv.html#forthcoming
> > "Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Problems in the
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> lumineux venait se confondre avec un certain type de champ
> électromagnétique."

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20279
Lee Smolin: "It is also disappointing that none of the biographers
mention the writings that lead John Stachel, the founding editor of
the Einstein Papers project, to speak of "the other Einstein." These
writings look beyond his struggles with the unified field theory to
"the other possibility [which] leads in my opinion to a renunciation
of the space-time continuum..."

Do all those honest biographers have a serious reason to avoid "the
other Einstein" problem? Something to do with "NOTHING WILL REMAIN of
my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but
also nothing of the rest of contemporary physics"?

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
 
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