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muser - 27 Jun 2008 16:32 GMT
I knew of this phenomena prior to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
, though prior to an e-mail amazon sent me I was unaware of what
physicists called it.
I have a question regarding the proton demonstration in this clip. Is
it possible the electroweak force is acting on the 'tunneling' proton?
If, as the commentator is suggesting the proton is imbued
(momentarily) with enough energy to circumvent the strong force, where
is the additional energy coming from? are there test which pinpoint
the energy source and could someone provide a link.
also one last question. I remember reading somewhere that it would
take vast sums of energy to overcome the strong force, how is a proton
or any subatomic particle able to use the extra energy to perform this
feat?
I understand the rules that govern the quantum world are different to
those which govern ours, but conceptually I find it hard to fathom how
a proton might process the additional energy.
PD - 27 Jun 2008 21:16 GMT
> I knew of this phenomena prior tohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
> , though prior to an e-mail amazon sent me I was unaware of what
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> those which govern ours, but conceptually I find it hard to fathom how
> a proton might process the additional energy.

There's a couple ways to talk about this. One way is that the
wavefunction of the proton actually has a tail that extends outside
the barrier, and because its position is only determined insofar as
the magnitude of the wavefunction (squared) tells you, then there is a
certainly probability it will be found outside the barrier. This
statement applies without any consideration whatsoever to how it gets
from "inside" to "outside" and therefore crossing the barrier. That
is, because the wavefunction is nonzero outside, then the proton is
*already* partially outside the barrier and doesn't cross at all.

The second way is that energy is not strictly conserved inside a
finite time interval, and so you don't have to go looking for places
to "borrow" energy from in order to conserve energy. This is what the
energy form of the uncertainty principle means: that the energy only
is constant within a band of fluctuation that is constrained by the
time window that you're looking in. The shorter the time window, the
more fluctuation in energy is tolerated without violating the
conservation of energy.

PD
RichD - 30 Jun 2008 10:57 GMT
> > I knew of this phenomena prior
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
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> more fluctuation in energy is tolerated without violating the
> conservation of energy.

Maybe true.... but when I look at the time - energy
uncertainty formula, I don't see how you get this
interpretation.

--
Rich
PD - 30 Jun 2008 12:42 GMT
> > > I knew of this phenomena prior
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
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> uncertainty formula, I don't see how you get this
> interpretation.

I suggest you read a good book on quantum mechanics, then, rather than
trying to interpret formulas you see. (The formulas are short hand for
words you have to understand first, not the converse.) The book by
Griffiths is excellent.

> --
> Rich
john - 30 Jun 2008 14:58 GMT
> > > > I knew of this phenomena prior
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
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> > --
> > Rich

That would be sci-fantasy
Sam Wormley - 30 Jun 2008 16:26 GMT
>>>>> I knew of this phenomena prior
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
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>
> That would be sci-fantasy

  Kinda closed minded, eh John.
  Griffiths is an excellent textbook.

  A Physics Booklist: Recommendations from the Net: Quantum Mechanics
    http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Administrivia/booklist.html#quantum-mechanics
RichD - 02 Jul 2008 10:52 GMT
> > > > I knew of this phenomena prior
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
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> words you have to understand first, not the converse.) The book by
> Griffiths is excellent.

Pretty clumsy dodge there, PD... in other words,
you don't know, but can't admit it... just say those
3 words "I don't know", it will hurt at first, but
later you'll feel better...

--
Rich
PD - 02 Jul 2008 12:18 GMT
> > > > > I knew of this phenomena prior
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
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> 3 words "I don't know", it will hurt at first, but
> later you'll feel better...

Don't know what? I gave an explanation, you said you didn't know how
that interpretation arose, I gave you a place to read up more on that
very same explanation. Do you have a question?

PD
tnlockyer@aol.com - 28 Jun 2008 00:28 GMT
> I knew of this phenomena prior tohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
> , though prior to an e-mail amazon sent me I was unaware of what
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> those which govern ours, but conceptually I find it hard to fathom how
> a proton might process the additional energy.

Quantum Mechanical Tunneling (not):
In 1928 Gamow suggested that alpha particles were held inside the
nucleus by a potential barrier.  Gamow was a skilled mathematician and
theorized that the "wave function" allowed the alpha particle to
"tunnel out" through a forbidden zone of higher energy.  This idea was
accepted by the quantum mechanics and even today mistakenly forms the
basis for modern quantum mechanical theory. See the original Gamow
paper, "Quantum Theory of the Atomic Nucleus"  G. Gamow  ZP, 51, 204
(1928).

The Gamow mystical (magical) alpha particle tunneling theory
completely breaks down in the decay of the Beryllium eight (Be8)
nucleus.
The Be8 isotope decays "neatly" into two alpha particles, so nothing
else is left of the Be8 nucleus. This clean Be8 decay, into only two
alpha particles, should have been a test bed for the theory of alpha
particle tunneling decay, from the first, but no one could calculate
the binding energies involved.

Now, since the year 2000, calculation of binding energy has been
possible.  Simply, the Be8 is composed of two pre-alpha (each with two
protons and two neutrons) that tighten up into two alpha particles.
The formation of two alpha particles creates an extra binding energy
release of (Be8 – 2(alpha) = -0.092 MeV) making decay of Be8
energetically possible.

This reaction shows that new atomic energy is created when nucleons
rearrange their null patterns, from a pre-alpha to an alpha
configuration, and it is the resulting newly created atomic energy
that forces the alpha particle decay.  Because it is now possible to
calculate the binding nuclear energy between various arrangements of
protons and neutrons, the intimate details of Be8 decay can be shown.
The two Be8 pre-alpha "inter" binding energy is ~34.045 MeV, and then
these two pre-alpha are bound together with an "intra" binding energy
of ~22.454 MeV. The "inter and intra" binding energies total to give
the Be8 its (measured) binding energy (mass defect) of ~56.499 MeV.

The Be8 decay (into a lower mass energy state) occurs as the two pre-
alpha tighten up into the two greater "inter" binding energy (mass
defect) between nucleons in the alpha structure.  The new atomic
energy created is a substantial ~22.546 MeV.    This newly created
atomic energy is just enough to replace the "intra" ~22.454 MeV
binding energy (mass defect) holding the two pre-alphas structures
together in the Be8 with 0.092 MeV to spare. Thus the measured Be8
decay energy of 0.092 MeV is supplied, from the newly created alpha
formation binding energy, after replacing the energy binding the two
pre-alpha together in the Be8.  The extra 0.092 MeV energy forces the
Be8 to alpha decay.
The quantum mechanical notions of square wells, wave functions and
tunneling have nothing to do with any alpha particle decays what-so-
ever.

The idrea that the electron "tunnels"  and causes the Josephson effect
falls apart under close inspection.  A JJ consists of two
superconductors (SC) separated by a gap of a few nanometers, OR A
NANOWIRE WEAKLINK.   What happens in an insulating gap is the
electrons form Cooper pairs and bridges the gap.   In the case of the
nanowire conducting weak link is the Cooper pairs are simply conducted
across the junction.

You can Google and see the JJ works (not on electron tunneling) but
with weak links (tiny restrictions, microscopic point contacts, and
weakly conducting layers or certain grain boundaries.

Sorry to destroy long standing "Quantum Mechanical Tunneling myths"
that started in 1928 when I was 2 years old!

Regards; Tom;

See;  www.amazon.com   096315463X     (2008)   for more complete
details.
muser - 29 Jun 2008 13:51 GMT
On Jun 27, 4:28 pm, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:

> > I knew of this phenomena prior tohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
> > , though prior to an e-mail amazon sent me I was unaware of what
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It's strange you should mention G.Gamow as I'm in the middle of his
book 'one, two, three... infinity'. although, I wasn't aware of his
contribution to tunneling.
PD, the second explaination you give means that tunneling would happen
as a matter of fact and not when bodies like the sun create the
process. strictly speaking, is that true and what implications does
that have on quantum\normal matter.
Tunneling is used to explain why the sun shines. tom, if I understand
you correctly, you're of the opinion tunneling is a misnomer and
binding energies are behind the tunneling 'myth'. If this is correct
the sun would have burnt more of it's fuel by virtue of the process
you described. since physicists have applied the tunneling function to
a celestial body as proof of why it emits light. any accusation on its
crediblity would first require, dispelling this theory.

p.s. is there any laboratory (open to the public) where I might view
physics in action ;- so to speak. I don't mind travelling for the
experience.
tnlockyer@aol.com - 29 Jun 2008 17:54 GMT
> On Jun 27, 4:28�pm, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
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> book 'one, two, three... infinity'. although, I wasn't aware of his
> contribution to tunneling.

Yes he was a player during the early days.

> PD, the second explaination you give means that tunneling would happen
> as a matter of fact and not when bodies like the sun create the
> process. strictly speaking, is that true and what implications does
> that have on quantum\normal matter.

No, you are misunderstanding.   The example i gave was to show that
the G. Gamow theory of tunneling based of alpha particle decays, is
not correct when binding energy is able to be calculated.  The Be8
example was because the isotope decays "neatly: into two alpha
particles.

> Tunneling is used to explain why the sun shines. tom, if I understand
> you correctly, you're of the opinion tunneling is a misnomer and
> binding energies are behind the tunneling 'myth'.

No there is no tunneling under any circumstances, and tunneling is not
used to explain the sun.   You are confusing my binding energy atomic
energy release arguments,  binding energy release does cause the sun
to shine.

The sun continues to shine because the nucleons are continually
seeking a lower energy state while forming more complex nuclei up to
iron.   The binding energy is a mass defect and the energy is released
in the form of gamma rays.  It takes an estimated million years for
the interior gamma rays to Compton scatterout. of the sun  this
scattering reduces the gamma rays to lower frequencies that we can see
as sun shine.

>snip<

> p.s. is there any laboratory (open to the public) where I might view
> physics in action ;- so to speak. I don't mind travelling for the
> experience.

There are a lot of books that touch on the subject, mostly giving the
correct story.

Regards:  Tom

P.S.  See;  www.amazon.com    096315463X   where more details are
presented about electron pairing in quantum step resistance, Josephson
junctions, SQUIBS and Peltier effects.  The tunneling is shown to not
be the mechanisism.
muser - 30 Jun 2008 10:29 GMT
On Jun 29, 9:54 am, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 27, 4:28�pm, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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please forgive my further ignorance on this matter, but when I stated
tunneling as the reason the sun shone, I did so because the link in my
original post, inform me this was the case. The author of the video
claims to have a PhD (I assume in physics). I, being of humble stock,
do not have necessary training or intuitive insight to glean who is
right in this matter. If possible, could you e-mail the author (e-mail
details are provided at the end of the video clip) and ask him to
explain his position as presented in the clip.
PD - 30 Jun 2008 12:45 GMT
> On Jun 29, 9:54 am, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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> details are provided at the end of the video clip) and ask him to
> explain his position as presented in the clip.

Tunneling is indeed part of the reason why the sun shines. However,
this does not mean that tunneling is limited to solar fusion
processes. Generalities in popular videos are commonplace and
sometimes misleading, since the videos are intended more to inspire
than to educate carefully. Note that even Scientific American articles
make a point of citing further reading if you want to get a more
accurate and complete description, following the inspiration just
received.

PD
tnlockyer@aol.com - 30 Jun 2008 17:34 GMT
> On Jun 29, 9:54 am, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 27, 4:28�pm, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:
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> >
> > - Show quoted text -

Charlie said;
> please forgive my further ignorance on this matter, but when I stated
> tunneling as the reason the sun shone, I did so because the link in my
> original post, inform me this was the case. The author of the video
> claims to have a PhD (I assume in physics).

Charlie, I think he was trying to entertain with science fiction.

Tunneling does not exist as it is presently shown in the old text
books.  A more apt description is "bridge" as the electrons pair and
form electron channels.  Google weak links.

When electrons bind into pairs, energy is released, and the missing
energy is quickly replaced from the environment .

The absorbed  environment energy, for example, will unpair the
electrons and cause the Peltier cooling as the current pairs cross a P
N junction.  Keeps your brew cool!

> I, being of humble stock,
> do not have necessary training or intuitive insight to glean who is
> right in this matter.

We all are of humble stock, Charlie.  We are all babes in the woods.
The 20 th century will be known as the empirical century.  The
theories to explain those empirical results  are mostly ad hoc and
specious at best, so take what you read with a skeptical eye.

> If possible, could you e-mail the author (e-mail
> details are provided at the end of the video clip) and ask him to
> explain his position as presented in the clip.

Charlie, I have no interest, he no doubt has been taught those ideas
and to get his doctorate, had to echo these positions to his
mentors.

Regards: Tom.
srp2inc@gmail.com - 03 Jul 2008 23:08 GMT
> On Jun 29, 9:54 am, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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> details are provided at the end of the video clip) and ask him to
> explain his position as presented in the clip.

If I may, I suggest you be warry of flat out assertions coming
even from any PhDs, since they generally will be at odds with
the flat out assertions of other PhDs.

All flat out assertions are of this nature. You will always find
one PhD that will flat out contradict some other.

Human nature. Right or wrong, people individually become
certain of this or that at some point and whatever degree
they may hold, if it is right or wrong is a quite subjective
notion.

At the end of the day, you, as a reader (listener), have to
decide for yourself whether you will consider that any
particular point makes sense from your own point of view,
based on the sum of coherent info  that you already have
gathered.

Always be ready to reconsider any point you accepted
in the past if some new info puts it in doubts. You may
end up confirming the old decision, even if you took it
from some apparent undisputable authority, or you may
end up dropping it for a new wider ranging option.

This is how you will end up building a coherent model
of reality (that you will always find this or that PhD
asserting that you are wrong).

Trust you own judgment.

I am commenting here because I sensed your distress
in another thread at this ng not being monitored and
you not receiving sufficiently "well rounded" answers
to your queries.

Be aware that no one has all the answers at the level
of questioning you are now at, not even PhDs, even if
some pretend to. All PhDs are humans that were born
naked just like you, and had to learn, just like you are
now doing, all they now know or think they know.

Not everything has been understood at the fundamental
level. Just about all we have regarding the fundamental
level are theories, many conflicting.

There exists only one physical reality though, and only
a pool of non conflicting info and conclusions can
meaningfully describe it at the end of the day.

This is the only possible yardstick.

André Michaud
PD - 03 Jul 2008 23:58 GMT
On Jul 3, 5:08 pm, srp2...@gmail.com wrote:

> > On Jun 29, 9:54 am, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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> All flat out assertions are of this nature. You will always find
> one PhD that will flat out contradict some other.

Funny how "sometimes" comes out "always" in your head.

> Human nature. Right or wrong, people individually become
> certain of this or that at some point and whatever degree
> they may hold, if it is right or wrong is a quite subjective
> notion.

Not in science. Experimental verification settles all disputes, and
then the only question is whether we've got sufficient quality data to
answer the question.

Asserting that scientific truth is subjective is the fool's recourse
for adding credibility to his half-baked ideas, with the odd claim
that one idea is as right as any other.

> At the end of the day, you, as a reader (listener), have to
> decide for yourself whether you will consider that any
> particular point makes sense from your own point of view,
> based on the sum of coherent info  that you already have
> gathered.

That is also a foolish practice in science. It works well in politics,
morals, and buying decisions, but it has very little role in science.

> Always be ready to reconsider any point you accepted
> in the past if some new info puts it in doubts.

Yes, with the caveat that the reliability of the new info is also
subject to inspection.

> You may
> end up confirming the old decision, even if you took it
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>
> Trust you own judgment.

Again, this is an even more terrible idea, and it leads to cranks,
idiots, and trolls who extol their own virtues as "free thinkers" and
"anti-parrots". Keep in mind that schizophrenics and psychopaths trust
their own judgment, even though their assessments have very little to
do with reality.

The real question is, what is your method for determining the
reliability of the results of your own judgment?
Scientists have a method. Do you?

> I am commenting here because I sensed your distress
> in another thread at this ng not being monitored and
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> André Michaud
john - 04 Jul 2008 00:20 GMT
> The real question is, what is your method for determining the
> reliability of the results of your own judgment?
> Scientists have a method. Do you?

Funny how it is always the current
view that is 'right'.

Data require interpretation. Interpretation can be wrong
for any of several reasons, including incomplete data
or personal bias or corporate greenbacks

Scientists disagree.
How can this be if they are using their
ironclad 'method'?

By your view Bohr was a crank, because
obviously the solar system atomic model
is wrong, right?
(-:

John
Galaxy Model for the Atom
Sam Wormley - 04 Jul 2008 02:16 GMT
>> The real question is, what is your method for determining the
>> reliability of the results of your own judgment?
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> for any of several reasons, including incomplete data
> or personal bias or corporate greenbacks

  That's why in science... it is important to make data
  available to many.

> Scientists disagree.
> How can this be if they are using their
> ironclad 'method'?

  John... do you agree with me about galactic spiral
  arm formation... probably not... shall we look at
  some data... will we agree... probably not...

  But when lots of investigators look at lots of data,
  there tend to be a better understanding of the community
  as a whole.... Will everybody agree... probably not.

> By your view Bohr was a crank, because
> obviously the solar system atomic model
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> John
> Galaxy Model for the Atom
PD - 04 Jul 2008 15:42 GMT
> > The real question is, what is your method for determining the
> > reliability of the results of your own judgment?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> for any of several reasons, including incomplete data
> or personal bias or corporate greenbacks

And that's why the details of the experiment, the analysis, and the
interpretation are published and peer-reviewed before being published,
to root out and excise these biases. And that's why no single
experimental result is taken as definitive, and it is only when
results from independent investigators, using complementary methods,
corroborate that the results are taken to be reliable. This is based
on the presumption that nature does not care about the beliefs of the
investigators, so that if two or four experimenters using different
methods and different analyses end up with the same numbers, this is a
strong indicator that it is nature's true number that has come
through. This is part and parcel of the scientific method.

The instant that you dismiss any and all experimental evidence as
suspect and subject to whim, bias, and error, then you might as well
give up on science as a whole -- because this recourse to measurement
of what *nature* says is the ONLY arbiter of truth in science.

Moreover, if you consider data to be suspicious because of personal
whim, bias, or error, then by what account should mental models be
considered more reliable? Are you suggesting that logic and just
*thinking* about stuff is more reliably truth-finding than
experimental measurement? If anything, logic and mental models are
MORE plagued by whim, bias, and error than experimental measurement
and should be trusted even less -- and this is precisely why science
relies on measurement to be the arbiter.

> Scientists disagree.
> How can this be if they are using their
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> obviously the solar system atomic model
> is wrong, right?

The difference between Bohr and a crank is this:
1. Bohr did not ignore the best experimental evidence available at the
time, and in fact his model was consistent with it.
2. Bohr did not wave his hands and avoid doing calculations to make
quantitative predictions of things yet to be measured.
3. Bohr did not insist that he was being persecuted by the
establishment when it was clear that his solar system model was
inadequate, and in fact he was happy to return to square one, erase
the chalkboard and do it again.

I defy you to find a crank here that behaves like this.

> (-:
>
> John
> Galaxy Model for the Atom
PD - 30 Jun 2008 00:31 GMT
> On Jun 27, 4:28 pm, "tnlock...@aol.com" <tnlock...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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> process. strictly speaking, is that true and what implications does
> that have on quantum\normal matter.

Tunneling depends on the shape of the wavefunction, which in turn
depends on the shape of the potential that is interacting with the
particle.

Tunneling is not limited to solar phenomena, and there are many cases
of tunneling that occur in more ordinary and terrestrial things,
including some human-designed devices in electronics that make use of
it.

> Tunneling is used to explain why the sun shines. tom, if I understand
> you correctly, you're of the opinion tunneling is a misnomer and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> physics in action ;- so to speak. I don't mind travelling for the
> experience.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Jun 2008 15:13 GMT
muser Staying with quantum tunneling it was made fashionable by two guys
out of CIT  Kip Thorne and John Preskill.  They had two black holes that
could pass information between them. This kind of fits with the thinking
in the particle realm two particles pass information on their direction
of spin. Hmmmm information over distance sounds like the way we use
radio photons. Bert
rajaniyer@hotmail.com - 30 Jun 2008 14:59 GMT
> I knew of this phenomena prior tohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
> , though prior to an e-mail amazon sent me I was unaware of what
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> those which govern ours, but conceptually I find it hard to fathom how
> a proton might process the additional energy.

warm-up  rajaniyer

   It is quite interesting to note that Gamov's text on 'one, two,
three ..... infinity' motivated me at a young age, especially
imaginary number i that somehow mystically solves treasure puzzles.
Then quantum physics wave equation including Schroedinger equation
have the i factor which makes the mathematics of sinusoidal waves
possible.

   Quite simply with this, the physical significance of i will be
that it is algebraically representing logarithmic fluctuation, i.e. i
= log(fluctuation). We can show that it implies signal as a function
of noise noting that fine structure constant is also logarithmic
function with energy & mass, thereby representing energy in parametric
form as signal. We now have method quantifying the grand unified
theory of everything vacuum genesis of universe modeling starting with
signal = f(noise). I have derived this equation performing signal
analysis as well as mathematical physics to connect with quantum
probability si quantifying quantum physics of quantum tunneling.
BURT - 30 Jun 2008 19:47 GMT
> I knew of this phenomena prior tohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
> , though prior to an e-mail amazon sent me I was unaware of what
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> those which govern ours, but conceptually I find it hard to fathom how
> a proton might process the additional energy.

The barrier tunneled through is an energy barrier.
Yousuf Khan - 30 Jun 2008 22:48 GMT
> I knew of this phenomena prior to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
> , though prior to an e-mail amazon sent me I was unaware of what
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> is the additional energy coming from? are there test which pinpoint
> the energy source and could someone provide a link.

As one lay person to another, I think sometimes the professional
physicists in here tend to have become immune to try to picturise
phenomenon in their own minds. This is due to years of education which
tends to indoctrinate them in a numb don't-ask-questions mindstate. They
are in a different state of mind from the rest of us, they are in the
"my professor told me this is the way it is, and his professor before
him, thus it is always thus."

Obviously it would be the Electroweak force that makes a proton escape
the clutches of the Strong force within a nucleus, in a fission process.
 The Electoweak is several times weaker than the Strong, however, that
comparison only applies to their strength relative to each other when
the Strong is at its strongest. The interesting thing about the Strong
is that it has a peak in strength at a specific distance between the
nucleons; its strength drops off considerably both above and below that
distance. However, the Electroweak just keeps getting stronger and
stronger the closer and closer you make things come together. At some
point if some nucleons are pushed too close together and their
Electroweak repulsion becomes strong enough to overcome the peak
strength of the Strong, and then you can see nuclei fly apart. Much like
a pinball breaking through a barrier -- it may not break through all of
the time, but do it enough times and eventually it'll find a hole in
there somewhere.

    Yousuf Khan
 
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