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Dark Energy: 21st Century Version Ether

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Paul Stelzner - 30 Jun 2008 06:10 GMT
Dark matter is singularities in the form of black holes; dark
energy is a distortion of expectations due to time dilation. The one-way
arrow of time can be accounted for by the movement from field/area which
is energy, to the consolidation to centers and ultimately a universal
singularity, that becomes the new big bang, and a return to energy or
field expression.

    The term that "dark energy is negative mass density in vacuum" is a
language translation from mathematics to english. The problem is that
truth has never been derived using math only, human imagination that is
then transcribed using language, whether english or mathematics is the
way that understanding is advanced. Since math is more rigorous it is
often preferred. I began this thread to outline these ideas.

    I'm currently attempting to out-line these ideas in the language of
mathematics using a tangent function rather than a sinusoidal function.

P.C.Stelzner
Spaceman - 30 Jun 2008 06:35 GMT
>      Dark matter is singularities in the form of black holes; dark
> energy is a distortion of expectations due to time dilation. The
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> of mathematics using a tangent function rather than a sinusoidal
> function.

Singularities are a violation of everything we know about atoms.
Make 2 atoms fit into the same physical space that one atom
takes up and stand near it to observe.
What happens?
It proves to you. no singularities ever!
:)

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Paul Stelzner - 30 Jun 2008 07:10 GMT
Spaceman,

    It's late here on the west coast of America, It's got to be even
later where you're at! Thanks for replying, singularities are a super
concentration of matter; but when you you introduce 2 atoms occupying
the space of one, this is a violation of the definition of
superimposistion that Heisenberg outlined. Do you agree with the concept
of black holes?

P.C.Stelzner
Spaceman - 30 Jun 2008 16:05 GMT
> Spaceman,
>
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> superimposistion that Heisenberg outlined. Do you agree with the
> concept of black holes?

I do not agree with the Einstein concept of black holes.
and I really do not agree with anything that has a singularity
being a cause at all.
As you know 2 atoms can not occupy the same space,
so what would form a singularity at all?
Paul Stelzner - 02 Jul 2008 03:30 GMT
spaceman,
    Two atoms combining is not the same as them being in the same
place. Two hydrogen atoms become a helium atom through nuclear
synthesis, though they don't occupy the same place. When electron shells
consolidate with a proton, they resolve into a neutron along with the
binding energy. When neutrons close they become a neutron star. This
condensing continues until a black-hole is formed. A super dense
ensemble of material that has gravitational characteristics so strong
that even light particles cannot resist It's pull. The particles of
mass, neutrons are as close together as it gets, and gravity rules.
Gravity the weakest of all forces, but the most resolute!

P.C.Stelzner
Spaceman - 02 Jul 2008 04:05 GMT
> spaceman,
>      Two atoms combining is not the same as them being in the same
> place.

Dear Paul,
They would need to be in the same space and actually in a smaller
space to prove a singularity could exist at all.

> Two hydrogen atoms become a helium atom through nuclear
> synthesis, though they don't occupy the same place. When electron
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> gravity rules. Gravity the weakest of all forces, but the most
> resolute!

It is not that photons can't resist its pull,
It is that electrons and anything else behind the "black" of the black
hole can not vibrate to produce waves at all.
The gravity is too strong for any vibration to occur at all.

And the point of the 2 atoms in the same spot is that
someone would have to prove they could do such for a singularity to
exist at all.
2 atoms would have to completely fit in the same spot
and be smaller than the original 2 volumes to begin with.
and of course.. Singularities would need to have a lot more
atoms than just two to create a singularity that could cause
a Universe to be created.
I don't even want to think abotu the number of atoms that would
have to fit in this singularity joke that is being called the Big Bang
cause.
:)

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Sam Wormley - 30 Jun 2008 07:09 GMT
>      Dark matter is singularities in the form of black holes; dark
> energy is a distortion of expectations due to time dilation. The one-way
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> P.C.Stelzner

  No Center
    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

  Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html

  WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
    http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

  WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
    http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
Paul Stelzner - 02 Jul 2008 02:42 GMT
Sam,
    I have read the links you supplied and I respect the work being
done at UCLA. I do want to explain though: I don't advocate a center to
the visible universe, only a beginning to the extant universe in the
form of a big-bang.

    I propose that the early universe was composed of photons, the most
energetic form of substance; then the universe moved towards a more
matter like state, a consolidation toward centers across the total
universe e.g.: Solar systems move toward suns; galaxies move toward
there central dark holes, till al these accretions  combine to form a
total singularity that is a universal black hole. Which then becomes the
new big-bang.

P.C.Stelzner
Sam Wormley - 02 Jul 2008 07:26 GMT
> Sam,
>      I have read the links you supplied and I respect the work being
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>
> P.C.Stelzner

  Lots of ideas are proposed Paul... but the evidence does not
  favor your idea. The expansion will dominate, not gravitation.
paul707@webtv.net - 02 Jul 2008 20:11 GMT
> > Sam,
> >      I have read the links you supplied and I respect the work being
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Sam,
      It’s my understanding that the evidence for expansion is
derived from type-1a supernova standard candles that appear dimmer
than expectations using general relativity theory. But doesn’t this
suppose the rate of time we perceive for that inertial frame the
universe was in, when we view the supernovas, is the same as our
current inertial frame? Sort of like a twin paradox, but on a grand
scale of time and distance. We look back and see these standard
candles, we know how bright they are so we can estimate there
distance. But they are moving so fast, which we can tell by their red-
shifts, which would imply that their experience of time is effected,
but more importantly, our perspective of there progress would be
affected. This effect would seem to necessitate that a derivate must
be applied to the time rate to compensate for the apparent dilation
when viewed from our inertial perspective. This derivative should
account for the supernovas being further along than would otherwise be
modeled. This is also fundamental to understanding why we have what
appears to be a superluminal initial expansion during the beginning of
the big-bang. The universe would move forward, but time would not, we
would then get the view from our perspective that the universe just
shot out into area with a faster that light-speed gain.

P.C.Stelzner
Spaceman - 02 Jul 2008 20:26 GMT
> Sam,
>        It’s my understanding that the evidence for expansion is
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> would then get the view from our perspective that the universe just
> shot out into area with a faster that light-speed gain.

If you wish to speak of science you should drop the silly
time slowing bologna.
This crap belongs in the relativity group where the rubber ruler
and malfunctioning clock worshippers are.
If you wish to use the multiple standards of relativity,
go play with the brainwashed lemmings and crash into
something that could care less about the time dilation bullshit
like planets and stars and....
oh ya..
The entire Universe.
time does not slow, only actions and reactions do.
and time must keep track of that slowing using a standard
single rate of time, not a mutliple bullshit rate of time.
:)

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mitch.nicolas.raemsch@gmail.com - 02 Jul 2008 21:20 GMT
On Jul 2, 11:26 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh>
wrote:
> paul...@webtv.net wrote:
> > Sam,
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Original energy was dark.
 
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