Right Again, Einstein
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Sam Wormley - 04 Jul 2008 02:10 GMT Right Again, Einstein http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2
By Phil Berardelli ScienceNOW Daily News 3 July 2008
As if his reputation needed cementing, astronomers have confirmed Albert Einstein's status as a supergenius once more. Studying a unique pair of pulsars--small and extremely dense leftovers from supernova explosions--researchers have measured an effect that was predicted by Einstein's 92-year-old general theory of relativity. The result, they report tomorrow in Science, is almost exactly what the famous physicist had foreseen.
In Einstein's relativistic universe, matter curves space and slows down time, and the speed of light remains the only constant. But those are the big effects. The theory of relativity also includes some more esoteric details, one of which is called spin precession. The idea goes like this: Two massive bodies orbiting near each other will warp space enough to disturb the central axis around which both are moving, causing them to begin wobbling just like spinning tops. Strong gravity creates this so-called precession, and the more massive the objects, the easier the precession is to observe.
See: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2
Spaceman - 04 Jul 2008 04:01 GMT > In Einstein's relativistic universe, matter curves space and slows > down time, and the speed of light remains the only constant. Yes, light is magic and the waves that travel at c don't slow time at all. LOL
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Spaceman - 04 Jul 2008 04:24 GMT >> In Einstein's relativistic universe, matter curves space and slows >> down time, and the speed of light remains the only constant. > > Yes, light is magic and the waves that travel at c don't slow > time at all. > LOL Oh ya. and the speed 186,000 mps is not realtive ever because that goofs up the entire constantness about it. LOL
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Tom Potter - 04 Jul 2008 07:04 GMT > Right Again, Einstein > http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > See: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 Sam raises a good point when he demonstrates that ignorant people in the media parrot conventional wisdom and promote Urban Science Legends.
As Sam demonstrates Phil Berardelli, the ScienceNOW Daily News parrot, makes a number of wild connections, and does not provide valid mathematical proof of the connections.
Rational, intelligent folks would tend to ask the following questions:
1. How much is "almost"? 2. Do other models have a smaller "almost"? 3 "Exactly" where did Einstein "exactly" predict the observed effect, and what numbers and equation did Einstein use in his model to predict the effect? 4. Where does Einstein differentiate between the affects of "massive bodies" and "near enough"?
It is sad, NO!, it is a crime against science that people like Phil Berardelli, continue to parrot the Urban Legend that "matter slows down time" when the fact of the matter is that time is what THE ONE standard clock indicates,
and that time units are derived from THE ONE oscillator used to drive the accumulator that is the clock.
There is one master oscillator, and one master clock, and ALL other so-called clocks are INSTRUMENTS, not clocks.
The goal of science is to organize all events on the minimum number of linear (Identical increments), orthogonal dimensions (Uncontaminated by other dimensions).
As Maxwell pointed out when he developed "Dimensional Analysis", the standard that ALL physics models MUST conform to, all physical properties can be pointed to using a standard "time period", three orthogonal "time intervals" (Spaces) and one mass.
And as Planck showed that one mass is a function of standard, quantum units of "action".
It is sad, NO! IT is a crime that ignorant people in the media continue to promote rubber clocks and rulers, that necessitate an infinite number of "continuous orthogonals" rather than the six quantum orthogonals that Maxwell described so well over 150 years ago.
It appears that General Relativity is more of a "Tower of Babel" than a useful, efficient, viable model of reality, as it wastes time, money and minds on such pursuits as the beginning and end of time, time travel, warping through space, black holes, gravitons, dragging space around, infinite orthogonalities, etc.
I suggest that the people who have been duped to waste billions of the taxpayers dollars to promote General Relativity, should think about what that money could do if it were spent on using the DNA model to improve health, on the environment, fight crime, organized history, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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Eric Gisse - 04 Jul 2008 09:17 GMT [snip ignorant prattle]
Be useful for a change. Travel to Guangzhao and tell them to stop making shitty fireworks.
Spaceman - 04 Jul 2008 15:35 GMT > Sam raises a good point > when he demonstrates that ignorant people in the media [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Well stated Tom. It is very sad they have a model based upon such multiple "VARIABLE" standards of distance and time. Some day their tower will fall, until then, only the non brainwashed will see the tower is falling.
:)
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:) Uncle Al - 04 Jul 2008 16:39 GMT > Right Again, Einstein > http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > See: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~bretonr/doublepulsar/
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srp2inc@gmail.com - 04 Jul 2008 18:06 GMT > Right Again, Einstein > http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > predicted by Einstein's 92-year-old general theory of relativity. The result, they report > tomorrow in Science, is almost exactly what the famous physicist had foreseen. Has anyone noted the "almost" in the last sentence ?
The usual seed planted to induce more grant grease to flow in from ignorant politics for yet more useless research leading nowhere on stuff rehashed umpteen times generating more papers also containing the "almost" keyword.
A well greased grant generating Einstein compliant machine meant to build carriers on actually doing nothing to advance fundamental research.
André Michaud
> In Einstein's relativistic universe, matter curves space and slows down time, and the > speed of light remains the only constant. But those are the big effects. The theory of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > See:http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 hanson - 04 Jul 2008 19:43 GMT On 3 juil, 21:10, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Right Again, Einstein > http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > relativity. The result, they report tomorrow in Science, is > *** almost *** exactly what the famous physicist had foreseen. André Michaud wrote: Has anyone noted the "almost" in the last sentence ?
The usual seed planted to induce more grant grease to flow in from ignorant politics for yet more useless research leading nowhere on stuff rehashed umpteen times generating more papers also containing the "almost" keyword. A well greased grant generating Einstein compliant machine meant to build carriers on actually doing nothing to advance fundamental research.
hanson wrote: Einstein's Dingleberries are die hards because they hope that they will get ***fame by association*** and earn a fortune ... ahahaha... Meanwhile, in the real world, here is where Einstein's crap is still used and where they laugh about it:
= mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL sh.t" = *.edu and grantology ...................."does use REL, No sh.t" = Promo, Sales & Movies..............."loves REL by the shitload" = Jews protect it as cultural heritage whether "REL is sh.t or not".
Thanks for the laughs, Michaud. Don't get any hemmies over it. That is the purview of the Einstein Dingleberries...ahahaha... ... ahahahanson
Androcles - 04 Jul 2008 22:34 GMT | On 3 juil, 21:10, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote: | > Right Again, Einstein [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] | That is the purview of the Einstein Dingleberries...ahahaha... | ... ahahahanson Not only that, but notice all these f.cking pulsars always come in pairs ever since Hulse and Taylor cheated the Nobel Committee out of a few krone. http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1993/press.html
hanson - 04 Jul 2008 19:43 GMT Right Again, Einstein, [say his Dingleberries] http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 wherein it syas As if his reputation needed cementing, astronomers have confirmed Albert Einstein's status as a supergenius in [a] Science, which is **** almost*** exactly what the famous physicist had foreseen.
hanson wrote: Yeas, but only **** almost***.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA...
Besides all that can be explained much more **accurately** by normal Newtonian physics, except it is not as sexy thyat way.... which is why Einstein's Dingleberries use Albert's platform and are die hards because they hope that they will earn and get ***fame by association***... ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...
Meanwhile, in the real world, here is where Einstein's crap is still used and where they laugh about it:
= mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL sh.t" = *.edu and grantology ...................."does use REL, No sh.t" = Promo, Sales & Movies..............."loves REL by the shitload" = Jews protect it as cultural heritage whether "REL is sh.t or not".
Thanks for the laughs, Sam. Don't get any hemmies over it. That is the purview of the Einstein Dingleberries...ahahaha... ... ahahahanson
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 04 Jul 2008 22:14 GMT Hanson Your bigot mind only makes you a laughing hyena. Bert
hanson - 05 Jul 2008 16:43 GMT Hebie Herbie, you really are an embarrassment for your Jewish comminity:.. There you are badmouthing again yet you are not even able to spell "Einstein" right.... ahahaha...
hanson wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/233b18e6f46238f0?hl=en which was about where & why SR/&GR is used in the real world about which for quite bizarre reason in his own mind....
a true blossom of Jewish wisdom and character, presented himself in his natural environment < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9W3UsdRyM > or in < http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f > and Hebie Herbie said "Hanson Your bigot mind only makes you a laughing hyena. Bert"
hanson wrote: ahahahaha... That only seems to be this way because you are religiously handicapped and never able to stop yourself from bad-mouthing, like you admitted here yourself when the Sheriff came to get you, ... ahahahaha...: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/b19435c22aac91c1
"Trust me!", Hebie Herbie, "Go figure"... L'Chaim, Shalom!... and thanks for the laughs you splendid loud-mouthing olde kacker. ahahaha.... hahahahanson
hhc314@yahoo.com - 05 Jul 2008 22:42 GMT > Right Again, Einstein > http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > See:http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/703/2 Sam, no confirmation of the genius of this guy is really needed. In physics, Einstein is the singular guy living during the 20th century that stands shoulder to shoulder with Newton, and Maxwell.
The reason that physicists award him this stature is diffult to exlain to laymen lacking a physics education. By closest connection with Newton was once I was allowed to hold an original edition of his Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica in my gloved hands for about 2-hours while locked in the vault of my undergraduate college library. (Here, physics majors were required to translate on chapter from Latin to contemporary English.) It was with trembling hands an very poor latin that I completed this required assignment, with my latin pony at my side. My hands trembled because I realized that the age of 20, I was holding in my hands the very basis of modern civilization. Only the Magna Carta has more historical importance than does the Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica by Newton.
I've never had a chance to converse with Albert Einstein, but I did pass by him on the streets of Princeton, NJ more than once. I was a small child, possibly 8 at that time, but I even then knew that he was regarded as a great scientist. It was only later that I really realized how great this guy really was! Sometimes his sister or another female was with him, but usually he was alone. I remember that as a kid I really though that this guy needed a haircut, but as a kid I remember him simply as another old guy, but he was always nice to us kids, but he did have that rather strange accent when he spoke. Turned out later that it was German. I later learned that he lived in a small home on Mercer Street in the Borough of Princeton, without any security, and would often take the local kids into his home at instruct them on the basics of physics in terms that they could comprhend.
OK, sufficient memories.
As everyone know who has studed Einstein, he had an ability to reduce the most complex physical theories down to the level of an 8th grader, without loosing any of the primary concepts. At least I am so tild by the lucky kids in Princeton that had Albert Einstein as a math or physics tutor.
When I later attend college, it was only then that I realize the importance of the contributions to the science that this man had made. He essentially was the transition point between classical physics and modern physics.
As I have said, Einstein was a master at convening to laymen the nature of his theories. I really to today know of no theory that cannot be consensed down to the level that an 8th grader cannot comprehend. Albert Einstein was very gifted at knowing how to do that, beginning with his railway car examples of special relativity.
What many lay readers do not know, it that Einstein never published a theory of General Relativity, At the time of his death, it was incomplete.
Harry C.
Sam, that's the real story.
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