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student2117@gmail.com - 04 Jul 2008 19:52 GMT
Hi group,

How many atoms are in the body of a 100 kg human and what would be the
total (appx) Mass of it?
tadchem - 04 Jul 2008 20:49 GMT
On Jul 4, 2:52 pm, student2...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi group,
>
> How many atoms are in the body of a 100 kg human

Dr. Ed Uthman worked out the elemental composition of a 70 kg human
body:
http://web2.iadfw.net/uthman/elements_of_body.html

Multiply all the masses in column 2 by 100/70 to calculate for a 100
kg body.

Convert the masses top grams with the number 1000 (g/kg).

Then divide each mass (in g) by the atomic weight (g/mole) of the
element in column 1.

Multiply all the numbers of moles by Avogadro's Number 6.02214179 x
10^23 mol-1
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?na|search_for=abbr_in!

This gives you the approximate number of each type of atom in a 100 kg
body.

Add them up.

> and what would be the
> total (appx) Mass of it?

The total approximate mass of a 100 kg body is 100 kg.  Separating it
into its constituent atoms does not affect the mass, which is a
conserved quantity under these conditions.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
PD - 05 Jul 2008 01:14 GMT
On Jul 4, 1:52 pm, student2...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi group,
>
> How many atoms are in the body of a 100 kg human and what would be the
> total (appx) Mass of it?

Answer to second question is 100 kg. Doh.

The answer to the first question depends on the empirical chemical
formula for a human. You can look that up pretty easily.

PD
Greg Hansen - 05 Jul 2008 23:00 GMT
> On Jul 4, 1:52 pm, student2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi group,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> PD

That looks like a Fermi question to me. You can get a reasonable
estimate by dividing the mass of the human body by the mass of a carbon
atom. Oxygen is heavier, hydrogen is lighter, and there's other stuff,
but most of it is not too far away from carbon. It won't be a precise
result, but if you remember the conversion from an amu to a kilogram, it
will be reasonably close and you won't have to look stuff up.

Or you can look stuff up, get a precise answer, and then get a
bodybuilder or an obese person for your model human. Composition
changed, too bad.
PD - 06 Jul 2008 01:54 GMT
> > On Jul 4, 1:52 pm, student2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi group,
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> bodybuilder or an obese person for your model human. Composition
> changed, too bad.

Actually, there's quite a bit more oxygen than carbon.
http://web2.iadfw.net/uthman/elements_of_body.html
http://www.random-science-tools.com/chemistry/chemical_comp_of_body.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_the_chemical_elements#Human_body
jmfbahciv - 06 Jul 2008 13:17 GMT
Yay!

<snip>

/BAH
glhansen@tcq.net - 13 Jul 2008 01:30 GMT
> Yay!
>
> <snip>
>
> /BAH

Don't get used to it. Part of the reason I've been away is Uncle Al's
"river of sh.t". And it hasn't improved much. The same people arguing
about the same things they've been arguing about for... it has to be
more than a decade by now. Arguing with them has some value in the
sense of clarifying your own thought processes, but that only extends
until they start all over again. Beyond that, what's the point? They
don't get anything out of it. And they're powerless to affect the
course of science, or science policy. Really, if they could change the
course of science it would be because there's some merit in their
ideas, and I wouldn't want to stand in the way of that. But I predict
the woo-woos will die convinced they're right and scientists all over
the world for the past hundred years or so are idiots, and their brave
new theories are obviously right except that the brainwashed
conventional scientific community, who've proved remarkably ready to
change their basic ideas of nature in the past, can't accept anything
new. Because they think the sum total of physics research can be found
on sci.physics and the Waldenbooks book shelves-- they're not aware of
the novel science that made it to the professional rags but not as far
as the newspapers or pop sci books because they've never looked and
have no intention of looking.

Yes, I've noticed my ambiguous use of pronouns above. I trust that you
can easily figure out what I meant. And I trust equally that critics
will find the stupidest possible way to interpret it.

And part of the reason I've been gone is that it's amazing how much
time is freed up when I stay away from Usenet.
Jim Black - 07 Jul 2008 03:46 GMT
>> On Jul 4, 1:52 pm, student2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hi group,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> result, but if you remember the conversion from an amu to a kilogram, it
> will be reasonably close and you won't have to look stuff up.

I was thinking the same thing, except I would use water (multiplying by 3
to get the number of atoms) instead of carbon.

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hhc314@yahoo.com - 05 Jul 2008 21:22 GMT
On Jul 4, 2:52 pm, student2...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi group,
>
> How many atoms are in the body of a 100 kg human and what would be the
> total (appx) Mass of it?

Obviously the total body mass would be 100 kg precisely. (Because that
is what you specified).

Now with respect to your other question, the starting point would the
percentage of body mass that is made of by water, second carbon, and
later other elements.

Please don't come here to have us do your homework for you.

Harry C.
 
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