Natural Science Forum / Physics / General Physics / July 2008

The universe isn't God. Einstein said it himself: I want to know how
God created this universe. I want to know His thoughts. All the rest
are just details.

Mitch Raemsch

The universe is then defective. Return to manufacturer.

In sci.physics, Osmium
<Rushtown@aol.com>
wrote
on Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
<9443d96b-9427-4ed3-b8c8-144e0d434db1@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:

Oops.  So much for kindness and good.  Granted, carnivora are
well ingrained into our fauna; a fair number of animals from
house cats to T. Rex eat meat.  We are also a compromise, if one
can use the word (since we weren't explicitly designed),
between a pure carnivore and a herbivore, since the latter
have much longer digestive tracts (the cow in particular has
4 stomachs; we make do with but 1).

The "universe" didn't really do any explicit designing.

So good and evil depend on viewpoint?

Jeffrey Dahlmer, Charles Manson, the Boston Strangler,
David Berkowitz (aka Son of Sam), John Wayne Gacy (aka Pogo
the Clown), Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez,
Theodore Kaczynski (aka the Unabomber), the Zodiac Killer,
and Jack the Ripper.

Lest the fair sex feel left out, I will also mention
Mary Ann Cotton, Marybeth Tinning, Nannie Doss,
Belle Gunness, Dorothea Puente, Alleen Wuornos,
and Lizzie Borden.

"Kindness" is not the first word coming to mind here. :-)
And that's before I've even begun to research gangsters
(1930's/Al Capone era), gangstas (a modern variant),
or looked into actual court cases attempting to find the
hundreds if not thousands of individuals convicted of
(and in some cases executed for) capital murder.

The bizarre thing is that these names are trivial to
look up; a lot of people out there like these sorts of
lists...myself included, I guess.  After a fashion,
we might even envy them; they left their mark on our
collective psyche, and a horrid black mark it is, too,
but it is highly visible.  Will most of us be as well
remembered?  Would we want to be?

Admittedly, I digress.

No doubt a serial murderer out stalking whores (a rather
common -- and depressing -- theme) would say much the same.

The women would of course have a very different opinion...

The Universe is.  Attempts to "decode" it range from the
scientific to the absurd.  Many times, we succeed; many
times, the failures are interesting (the most notable
one of relevance here might be Michelson-Morley, whose
failure to detect any sort of aether drift eventually led
to various proposals, all of which have since dropped by
the wayside except Einstein's Theory of Relativity).

And occasionally, tragedy strikes.  The one coming to mind
is from mathematics, where Evariste Galois was killed in
a duel.  One might make a case here regarding Einstein,
though, as it was his work that eventually lead to the
atomic bomb, which killed hundreds of thousands of people
in Japan.  (It was war, though, and it may have saved
millions of American lives, since no invasion of Japan
was necessary.  But J. Robert Oppenheimer, the actual
scientific director of the Manhattan Project, was left
deeply troubled, and salved his conscience by lobbying
for what is now the IAEA.)

In news:rec.org.mensa, Osmium <Rushtown@aol.com> posted on Sat, 5 Jul
2008 19:18:07 -0700 (PDT):

Actually, people can be reborn as animals if they need a short time to
wait for another to die and they can be reborn together.  But animals
exist from within the kingdom.  They're constant purveyors of truth,
which is why people are so fascinated by them.  But also, since
animals exist from within the kingdom, they're under the "soul
protection" of God, meaning that when they die, it's actually fun for
them.  If you could understand what the kingdom is like, it's a huge
playground where people run and play and kill each other for the fun
of it...because it doesn't hurt.  People ask the question about what
the meaning of life is and why we're all here.  It's to hurt each
other until it doesn't hurt anymore.  If a black man can't hear the
word "nigger" without going to pieces and calling everyone a racist,
he's not ready to see the kingdom.  Simple as that.  And this fact
adds up with my description of the kingdom.  If he can't handle
hearing "nigger" without complaining, he certainly can't handle being
decapitated in the kingdom, which is actually fun.  You get to see the
whole world spinning by as your head rolls down the hill.  Of course,
you can't do that with these mortal bodies but one time.  In the
kingdom, you just reassemble yourself and have another go at it until
you wet your pants with glee.

Well, the connection between evolution and God is simple.  There is an
intelligence guiding the whole process -- an immortal DNA containing
information about divine order.  Species which mutate toward divine
order survive.  Species which mutate away from divine order go
extinct.

This also proves my point above about the relationship between animals
and people.  People are beginning to learn to communicate with animals
and understand their body language.  This is because, like the
awe-inspiring stories of Tarzan being raised by wolves, we were,
indeed, raised by animals, ourselves.  We learned the ways of animals
by using our bodies, and learned the ways of God by using our minds.

How?  Ever noticed that sometimes a duck or some bird seems to be
laughing at you?  What were you thinking about when you heard it?
Examine objectively what you were thinking about and look for other
options.  Those kinds of incidences are clues to finding your true
self -- what you were created to be, as opposed to what biological
chance has laid on you.

As has been said in the Bible, men and lions will lie down together.
In the beginning, enmity was placed between man and animals.  That
enmity is being worked out, though it's obviously going to take some
time.

I think there might be a great deal of guilt to work out between man
and animals.  Men feel guilty about caging animals in zoos, and men
don't understand that animals live within the Kingdom, and they're not
suffering in cages.  In fact, Zoos are a good idea because this is a
big world that not everyone can travel in full, so zoos give people
the chance to see something they might not otherwise see.  God
wouldn't let them suffer in cages.  It works in such a way that their
perceptions are switched around so it looks like they're suffering,
but they see it as the possible end of their life, which would be a
happy time -- a time of rejoining with the one they wanted to be
reborn with again.

So yeah, it's sad to see a dog die if you don't know both sides of the
story.  A dog is beaten to death by someone who doesn't understand,
the dog fights back, telling the man he's about to go to a place he's
not yet ready for because the dog is being beaten with ignorance, just
like Jesus was crucified in ignorance.  Dogs are like the modern
Jesus, innocent animals dying deaths at the hands of ignorant people,
meant to make the world suffer, and yet it serves a purpose on the
other side that people can't see plainly.

"Design" implies a "designer".

There is no empirical evidence to support the existence of a designer,
as opposed to the existence of simple *mindless* cause-and-effect
relationships of the physical universe.

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"Goodness" exists only in juxtaposition to "evil," either of which
rests upon the concept of "harm" to a living being.

The fundamental nature of life is that it is mortal, and any condition
or event which moves a living being to or towards its individual
mortality (end-of-life) may be said to be "harmful."

"Goodness" and "evil" are related to "harm" in that an after-the-fact
value judgment must be made by a living being concerning whether harm
to a specific living being (itself or another) is "good" or "evil" in
the view of the individual MAKING the judgment.

Thus "good" and "evil" are relative concepts.

The universe is amoral.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

You say killing a deer is evil, but feeding it to your child is good?

But you do so to protect and grow your child so that it may kill more
deer - perhaps the children deers of your victim?

If you take good and evil as fundamental axioms to base your
perception of reality, the only logical conclusion is that this
reality _IS_ the infinite levels of Hell superimposed over each other.

With each life-system/being/observer offering a unique perspective of
it all.

Life can only maintain it's structure, it's geometry, it's divinity
through the slaughter of another.

Kaballah crazies and satanic people have known this for a very long
time.

From a physics point of view it comes down to the 2nd law of
thermodynamics - no closed system can increase in order/structure/
geometry with time.

The truth then is that this REALLY IS Hell. It always was.

The question is, Demon, what are YOU going to do about it?