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Cosmic Inflation and Dark Energy:

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Paul Stelzner - 08 Jul 2008 05:03 GMT
Current hot big-bang cosmology includes an unknown particle or
field called an inflaton, producing a negative pressure vacuum, that
brings about an exponential ( superluminal) expansion of the nascent
universe. I propose that this inflation was in fact produced by the
inchoate universe being originally constituted with photons, then
undergoing a phase change to less energetic, more matter like substance.
There's no need to explain with exotic conditions and forces when a
simple solution using current models is available; a reassessment of
parameters, not a total revision appealing to unknown aspects! That's
more magic than science.

P.C.Stelzner
Sam Wormley - 08 Jul 2008 05:16 GMT
>      Current hot big-bang cosmology includes an unknown particle or
> field called an inflaton, producing a negative pressure vacuum, that
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> P.C.Stelzner

  Where do the leptons and quarks come from in your "theory"?
Paul Stelzner - 09 Jul 2008 00:45 GMT
Sam,

    I don't claim my ideas to be theory without a rigorous mathematical
underpinning; I only give a proposal using previously accepted models
that could lead to a unified theory.

    After the initial inflation period of photons, there would be a
precipitation caused by expansive cooling, a phase change brought about
by spontaneous symmetry breaking. This precipitate would fall into the
two forms of fermion material, those that react to strong interactions
and those that do not. This initial divide is the first sign of what I
have characterize as the movement toward centers, verses the movement
away from centers. These movements are analogous to a particle / wave
duality.Those initial fermions that are more particle like become the
quarks. The fermions that are more wave like would become the leptons.
Each fermion would follow a cascade from unstable to stable with leptons
moving from the tau lepton, through the muon, then to the electron. Each
of these leptons would also occur with their weak doublets.

    For the fermions that experience the strong interactions, their
cascade from unstable flavors: charm- strange, top- bottom would proceed
to the stable up and down quarks; these two, down and up, would take
respective  positions as particle / wave duality, with the down quark
being the more particle like, and the up quark the more wave like.

    A poor attempt to explain this duality using the Mandelbrot set is
still available at my web page:
http://community.webtv.net/paul707/TheDiadeinParadigm

Thanks for showing interest Professor,

P.C.Stelzner
Sam Wormley - 09 Jul 2008 01:13 GMT
> Sam,
>
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>
>      After the initial inflation period of photons

  Paul--Why do you think there were photons (boson) at the onset
  of inflation? Why are you linking photons and only photons with
  inflation?

, there would be a
> precipitation caused by expansive cooling, a phase change brought about
> by spontaneous symmetry breaking. This precipitate would fall into the
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> P.C.Stelzner
Paul Stelzner - 10 Jul 2008 02:34 GMT
Sam,

Great question, why light.

    I've been thinking about this since I was twelve and I'm 48 now.
I'm not a formally educated man, not trained in concise methods for
writing explanations, so I pray for your patients with my word salad!

    For me these considerations revolve around what mater is, and what
energy is: Light is the most energetic substance, and the closest to
what could be considered 'pure energy' ( pure energy is an impossibility
I feel); and as for mater, black hole singularities are the closest to
pure mater possible as I see it.

     I envision a duality that encompasses all material states and
forces, a particle/wave duality that is expressed as point-like and
field-like. Each fermion and boson would be a ratio of these two. Not
only those material states and forces the universe is made of, but the
universe in totality would also be a ratio of these two, swinging first
toward one extreme, and then toward the other.

    So why light? The consideration of the most energy-like phase being
light, is because I fail to envision anything else more energetic and
less mass-like than light.

    I'm thinking lately of a possible mathematical modeling for these
fluctuations, or swings between tendencies, I propose a tangent
function. Where the opposite (sine), or numerator, would be the
point-like derivative with the plank length as the diameter's upper
limit; and the denominator, or adjacent (cosine), as the field-like
derivative with the plank-length as a lower limit: As the total universe
would turn increasingly towards point-like, or black holes, the
numerator would approach zero. Obviously zero would not be reached,
producing instead an asymptote that flips the tangent function. I
envision this flip as the big-bang. The denomination would then become
the new numerator, the universe would flip from almost total point-like,
to almost total field-like. I can't conceive of any other substance
except light energy as a possible medium for a field-like condition.
This flip in the tangent function would also seem to imply that the new
universe would be an anti-mater universe when compared to the previous
universe, a mirror of the previous cycle.

    Thanks again professor for the questions.
P.C.Stelzner
Paul Stelzner - 10 Jul 2008 03:26 GMT
Sam,
    I understand the unorthodoxy of these propositions, but the
symmetry seems to be beauty itself, which gives me courage that there
might be truth.

P.C.Stelzner
Sam Wormley - 10 Jul 2008 04:12 GMT
> Sam,
>      I understand the unorthodoxy of these propositions, but the
> symmetry seems to be beauty itself, which gives me courage that there
> might be truth.
>
> P.C.Stelzner

  Paul, see what you make of this, OK?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem

Noether's theorem (also known as Noether's first theorem) states that any differentiable
symmetry of the action of a physical system has a corresponding conservation law. The
action of a physical system is an integral of a so-called Lagrangian function, from which
the system's behavior can be determined by the principle of least action. This seminal
theorem was proven by Emmy Noether in 1915 and published in 1918.[1]

Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem
Paul Stelzner - 10 Jul 2008 08:57 GMT
OMG Sam,

The love of my life and I missed her by almost a century! Emmy, I love
her!

What a beautiful mind, I've always fantasized about meeting someone like
her, but alas, time is the foil.

From what I can understand of the explanation I have reason to be of
cheer, the system I envision is conserved, nothing is taken, nothing is
added between oscillations. Symmetry is maintained and total momentum is
conserved. The principle of entropy is satisfied by the movement from
energy (order) to mass (diss-order) by being a one-way arrow of
potential.

P.C.Stelzner
Agent Smith - 11 Jul 2008 10:10 GMT
> OMG Sam,
>
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> movement from energy (order) to mass (diss-order) by being a one-way
> arrow of potential.

Why don't you start teaching yourself the mathematics of physics?
Paul Stelzner - 11 Jul 2008 15:11 GMT
Agent Smith, am I missing something?
Agent Smith - 11 Jul 2008 20:22 GMT
paul707@webtv.net (Paul Stelzner) wrote in news:23412-48776A05-14
@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net:

> Agent Smith, am I missing something?

Aren't you doing all your theorizing without looking at equations?
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 10 Jul 2008 15:04 GMT
Sam My theory of matter and anti-matter not touching is "time lapse"
Imperial theory blames nature for a bad balancing act   Bert
Sam Wormley - 10 Jul 2008 20:04 GMT
> Sam My theory of matter and anti-matter not touching is "time lapse"
> Imperial theory blames nature for a bad balancing act   Bert

  There are no observed aggregates of antimatter, Herb!
  Quit babbling!
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 11 Jul 2008 14:07 GMT
Sam Reality is there is lots of missing mass. In the tiny submicroscopic
realm we have "Whimps" and "MACHOS" In the macro realm we have BH and
I'll throw in Neutron stars and black and brown dwarfs Best you argue
with Vera Rubin. She calls this "missing matter" Sam also this thought
jumped in How about space dust Planets with no stars  Well Sam The
universe is 65% dark energy 30% dark matter,and that only leaves just
about us and a few percent of the matter we can see   Go figure  Bert
Sam Wormley - 11 Jul 2008 22:16 GMT
> Sam Reality is there is lots of missing mass. In the tiny submicroscopic
> realm we have "Whimps" and "MACHOS" In the macro realm we have BH and
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> universe is 65% dark energy 30% dark matter,and that only leaves just
> about us and a few percent of the matter we can see   Go figure  Bert

  Using you figures, Herb, for the mass-energy budget of the universe:

  Dark Energy:     .65
  Dark Matter:     .30
  Atoms:           .04

                 ======
                   .99

  Leaves a bit of wiggle room. And it is WRONG according to the
  WMAP DATA

  Dark Energy:     .74
  Dark Matter:     .22
  Atoms:           .04

                 ======
                  1.00
Uncle Al - 08 Jul 2008 16:39 GMT
>      Current hot big-bang cosmology includes an unknown particle or
> field called an inflaton, producing a negative pressure vacuum, that
> brings about an exponential ( superluminal) expansion of the nascent
> universe. I propose that this inflation was in fact produced by the
> inchoate universe being originally constituted with photons, then
> undergoing a phase change to less energetic, more matter like substance.

 1) Conservation of baryon number, isospin, hypercharge, quark color.
 2) Empirical preponderence of matter over antimatter.
 3) Bullshit

> There's no need to explain with exotic conditions and forces when a
> simple solution using current models is available; a reassessment of
> parameters, not a total revision appealing to unknown aspects! That's
> more magic than science.

(1) plus (2) then (3).

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Eric Gisse - 09 Jul 2008 12:03 GMT
>      Current hot big-bang cosmology includes an unknown particle or
> field called an inflaton, producing a negative pressure vacuum, that
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>
> P.C.Stelzner

No, magic is what it would take to turn photons into baryons.
Mitch Raemsch - 10 Jul 2008 07:05 GMT
>      Current hot big-bang cosmology includes an unknown particle or
> field called an inflaton, producing a negative pressure vacuum, that
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>
> P.C.Stelzner

The expansion of hypersphere requires no energy.
 
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