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Tom Potter - 12 Jul 2008 15:44 GMT

The URL's below demonstrate
China's version of Google Streetview,
which is far, far better than Streetview.

If translation slows down or messes up the action,
just view it in Chinese as it is easy to figure out.

An "eyeball" is inserted where you click on the map on the right.
If you hold down the left mouse button you can move the "eyeball",
and if you hold down the left mouse button on the blue "search light"
you can sweep the view 360 degrees.

If you mouse over the far left Chinese characters on the second line,
you can select any of 24 Chinese cities to "street view".
You will be able to figure out what city you are touring
by looking at the URL. For example the "bj" stands for Beijing,
"qd" stands for Qingdao, and "zh" stands for ZhuHai.
I'll let you figure the others out.

This is a fantastic web site,
as you can see the real China up close, and personal,
and in high resolution.

Cruise the highways and the byways,
and see the Chinese going about their business
in living color.

http://bj.city8.com/

http://qd.city8.com/

http://zh.city8.com/

Don't thank me for sharing this great web site with you.
Thank Eric Gisse, who just loves my discoveries.

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Androcles - 12 Jul 2008 16:22 GMT

The URL's below demonstrate
China's version of Google Streetview,
which is far, far better than Streetview.

No no, butter is better than bitter batter because *I* say so.
Your bad opinions are far, far, far, far, far worse than my excellent
and superb opinions.
You seem to be pining for home, Potter, but are trying to convince
yourself living in a crowd has some merit.

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Tom Potter - 13 Jul 2008 13:28 GMT

> The URL's below demonstrate
> China's version of Google Streetview,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> You seem to be pining for home, Potter, but are trying to convince
> yourself living in a crowd has some merit.

Although I was asserting
that the technical and human engineering aspects
of the Chinese "Streetview" were
"far, far better than "Google's Streetview",
I also think that the content is ""far, far better".

Note that most streets in Google are barren and boring,
whereas in the Chinese "Streetview" are teeming
with interesting things to see.

Also note that technically the Chinese version
is easier to use, provides smoother and clearer images,
updates faster, and takes less computer resources.

Yahoo or Microsoft
could put Google Streetview out of business,
and get enormous amounts of advertising,
by buying the Chinese software,
and having the Chinese technicians come to
America and Europe and take pictures
with their equipment.

And of course, some enterprising person
could do this and become the search engine of the future.

Eventually all information will be searchable,
and mapped in time and space on the world globe,
and it will be possible to zoom ( And scan) in space and time
and see real pictures of recent data,
and reconstructions of old data,
like the streets of Rome and Londinium,
and the winner in the data search and presentation wars
will have to have the better "StreetView".

Experts in animated graphics like "Androcles"
will produce animated GIFs that show how
political boundries change with time, the spread of diseases,
how cultures interact, market penetrations,
how the front lines of wars change in time and space, etc.

Where do you want to go today,
in time and space,
and what do you want to focus on?

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Androcles - 13 Jul 2008 15:04 GMT

Although I was asserting
that the technical and human engineering aspects
of the Chinese "Streetview" were
"far, far better than "Google's Streetview",
I also think that the content is ""far, far better".
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This is a sci newsgroup. Your subjective opinions have no place in it.
It doesn't matter what you think or what I think, "better" is a meaningless
term since it, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. China's version
of Steetview is in Chinese, I do not read Chinese, therefore Google's
version of Streetview is "better" (for me). I am not going to use
a Chinese Streetview, it is not better.

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Note that most streets in Google are barren and boring,
whereas in the Chinese "Streetview" are teeming
with interesting things to see.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Streetview is photography, WYSIWYG.
If/when Google maps Chinese pig farms into its version of Streetview then
I'm sure that will be as interesting to you as the Chinese version of
teeming
Chinese pig farms, but as yet I have not seen a Chinese Streetview of
downtown Denver to make a comparison.

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Also note that technically the Chinese version
is easier to use, provides smoother and clearer images,
updates faster, and takes less computer resources.
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Can't be, I don't read Chinese. All you are doing is voicing your
prejudice as you are so fond of doing.
======================================

Yahoo or Microsoft
could put Google Streetview out of business,
and get enormous amounts of advertising,
by buying the Chinese software,
and having the Chinese technicians come to
America and Europe and take pictures
with their equipment.

And of course, some enterprising person
could do this and become the search engine of the future.
============================================
Go on then, do it. I'm not stopping you. I won't be buying it either.
============================================

Eventually all information will be searchable,
and mapped in time and space on the world globe,
and it will be possible to zoom ( And scan) in space and time
and see real pictures of recent data,
and reconstructions of old data,
like the streets of Rome and Londinium,
and the winner in the data search and presentation wars
will have to have the better "StreetView".

=============================================
Good, I'm all in favour of healthy competition.
=============================================

Experts in animated graphics like "Androcles"
will produce animated GIFs that show how
political boundries change with time, the spread of diseases,
how cultures interact, market penetrations,
how the front lines of wars change in time and space, etc.

=============================================

Political boundaries originated out of natural boundaries, you
only have to look at mountains and rivers to see that; the Ohio river
separates
Tennessee from Ohio, the St. Lawrence separates Canada from the USA
and the Rio Grande separates the USA from Mexico.

Politics arose out of different languages and different opinions.
ad my opinion of a Chinese Streetview is that it is NOT better than
Google's.
Diseases are spread by aircraft.
===============================================

Where do you want to go today,
in time and space,
and what do you want to focus on?
================================================

I want to focus on physics, this is a physics newsgroup and you are
farting in my church. Take it where it belongs.

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Tom Potter - 15 Jul 2008 12:05 GMT

>> The URL's below demonstrate
>> China's version of Google Streetview,
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
> I want to focus on physics, this is a physics newsgroup and you are
> farting in my church. Take it where it belongs.

Science and physics are basically
attempts to generalize and compress data,
and present it in a form that allows some
extrapolation into other times and spaces.

Imagine mapping all of the objects
on the surface of the Earth
over a long period of time,
and working on three dimensional models
that compress the data on the surface of the globe,
and over time as the surface of the globe changes.

In other words, imagine a GIF compression of
the Earth at some point in time,
and a GIF compression of the data in the time frame.

That's what the Google and Chinese "StreetViews"
are leading to.

Add a lossless time compression to a lossless
surface compression, and you have a model that
allows you to navigate back and forwards through time and space,
and as can be seen form the current "StreetViews"
and medical imaging, models are also available to look
at the data obliquely.

I suggest that StreetView is a look into the future
of science AND physics.
( And history, news and entertainment.)

Note that an infinite number of models
could be generated to account for
various changes to classes of objects,
BUT the ultimate model will be a
lossless surface and time compression algorithm.

As I indicated:
"Experts in animated graphics like "Androcles"
will produce animated GIFs that show how
political boundaries change with time, the spread of diseases,
how cultures interact, market penetrations,
how the front lines of wars change in time and space, etc."

And some creative folks will develop algorithms
that consider the inertia of sub-spaces,
and project changes into the future
with increasing accuracy.

Now GIFs are not lossless,
but they are a start in the right direction.
I suggest that when you add animation,
you cannot maintain "losslessness"
( The uncertainty Principle and the interplay of man.)
but the results will be much better than
astrology or its' physics alter ego, General Relativity.

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Androcles - 15 Jul 2008 12:56 GMT

> "Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> news:%%3ek.162600$8H5.130415@newsfe10.ams2...
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
> I want to focus on physics, this is a physics newsgroup and you are
> farting in my church. Take it where it belongs.

Science and physics are basically
attempts to generalize and compress data,
and present it in a form that allows some
extrapolation into other times and spaces.

==========================================
I cannot fully agree with your definition. Science is the observation,
investigation and explanation of natural phenomena.
Investigation is the gathering of data, explanation is theory showing
how the data matches the observation. Applying the theory is
technology.
==========================================

Imagine mapping all of the objects
on the surface of the Earth
over a long period of time, and working on three dimensional models
that compress the data on the surface of the globe,
and over time as the surface of the globe changes.

================================
Archeological data gathering.
================================

In other words, imagine a GIF compression of
the Earth at some point in time,
and a GIF compression of the data in the time frame.

That's what the Google and Chinese "StreetViews"
are leading to.
===============================
How does that make one better than the other?
================================

Add a lossless time compression to a lossless
surface compression, and you have a model that
allows you to navigate back and forwards through time and space,
and as can be seen form the current "StreetViews"
and medical imaging, models are also available to look
at the data obliquely.

I suggest that StreetView is a look into the future
of science AND physics.
( And history, news and entertainment.)

Note that an infinite number of models
could be generated to account for
various changes to classes of objects,
BUT the ultimate model will be a
lossless surface and time compression algorithm.

As I indicated:
"Experts in animated graphics like "Androcles"
will produce animated GIFs that show how
political boundaries change with time, the spread of diseases,
how cultures interact, market penetrations,
how the front lines of wars change in time and space, etc."

And some creative folks will develop algorithms
that consider the inertia of sub-spaces,
and project changes into the future
with increasing accuracy.

Now GIFs are not lossless,
but they are a start in the right direction.
I suggest that when you add animation,
you cannot maintain "losslessness"
( The uncertainty Principle and the interplay of man.)
but the results will be much better than
astrology or its' physics alter ego, General Relativity.

=================================
None of which is physics and therefore needs no comment
from me. There are other specialist newsgroups dealing with
politics, religion, culture, diseases, market penetrations, wars
and relativity.
Why is it that you, Tom Potter, have to fart in my church
and tell the world that Chinese Streetview is better than
Google Streetview when Google is hosting English Usenet ?
When (if) I learn Chinese will I be able to bounce into
any Chinese newsgroup and tell all the Chinese people
that here's another great URL from Androcles, far, far better
than Chinese Usenet?
If you must fart, Tom, do it where I don't have to smell it.

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Uncle Al - 13 Jul 2008 01:15 GMT

> The URL's below demonstrate

[snip rest of crap]

http://www.mum.org/

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Here's another GREAT URL from Potter