Sorry Sam,
I don't mean to be so exuberant, going on about Emmy, sometimes
late at night, after a few glasses of wine...
Noether's theorem seems foundational for determining the validity
of a system, which would include my system (diadien). Noether's theorem
derives conserved quantities from symmetries, the principal of least
action. I need help in showing fitness to this system (diadein) which
revolves around particle/wave dualities; where previously these
dualities have been considered an anomaly of experimentation, they could
become central to our understanding of mater and energy dynamics. My
question is, can we reverse Noether's theorem, finding the types of
Lagrangians functions that conserve x because of continuous symmetries;
and like summing the area under the curve is the reverse of a
derivative, determine if a quantity is conserved finding the Lagrangians
that describe the physical system?
P.C.Stelzner
Sam Wormley - 15 Jul 2008 01:42 GMT
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I'm glad you are excited, Paul!
http://www.springerlink.com/content/138732615q5t7753/
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1980JPhA...13..803R
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2029651
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0305-4470/13/3/014/
Paul Stelzner - 15 Jul 2008 02:23 GMT
Sam,
I'm at a severe disadvantage with my web-tv system, I go to your links
and see very little of what you would present, I must wait till I'm at
my work place and can scan with a regular PC to see the whole message.
Sam, I'm not complaining, I just hope for understanding and empathy,
will you help me or are my ideas with-out total merit?
P.C.Stelzner
Sam Wormley - 15 Jul 2008 03:00 GMT
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Paul--
You would have a lot better chance of satisfying your goals if you
got some basic physics under your belt... such as 2nd or 3rd year
classical mechanics course (Calculus and differential equations are
a must).
-Sam
Uncle Al - 15 Jul 2008 02:55 GMT
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All symmetries are associated 1:1 with conserved observables. All
conserved observables are 1:1 associated with symmetries - both
through Noether's theorems. However, the symmetry must be continuous
or approximated by a Taylor series (convergent limit of summed
infinitesimals). Noether's theorem depends upon smooth Lie groups.
The Lagrangian or the action is invariant under continuous
transformation.
Parity, for instance, is not a Noetherian symmetry. A symmetry can be
broken explicitly - a term in the action or equations of motion may
not be invariant. A symmetry can be broken anomalously - not all
classical theory symmetries exist in the corresponding quantum
theory. Quantum field theory anomaly spoils renormalizability.
Anomaly absence in the Standard Model is crucial. A symmetry can be
broken spontaneously if it is an exact symmetry of the equations of
motion but not of a particular solution therein. Noether's theorem
holds if the symmetry is not broken explicitly. Conservations can be
relaxed in subsystems displaying reduced symmetry (Born scattering
approximation, Fermi's golden rule, Snell's law).
A classical field theory conserved quantity does not demand a quantum
field theory conserved quantity in kind.

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BURT - 15 Jul 2008 04:24 GMT
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Dark matter had a comon origin with normal matter at the Big Bang. To
this day they are completely comingled. The Earth Sun and stars are
made primarily of Dark Matter.
Eric Gisse - 15 Jul 2008 05:31 GMT
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Generally speaking, if a Lagrangian is a function of only the
generalized velocity of a coordinate, there is a symmetry and thus
conserved quantity associated with that coordinate. That severely
constrains the form of the Lagrangian.
Additional symmetries introduce additional constraints, though I can't
give a generalization of form regarding those.
Does that help?