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Natural Science Forum / Physics / General Physics / July 2008Cosmic Inflation, Dark mass and Dark Energy:
Burt<macromitch@yahoo.com>, The Earth is primarily composed of dark matter? We humans are derived from this earth matrix, are we then also mostly dark matter? P.C.Stelzner > Burt<macromitch@yahoo.com>, > > The Earth is primarily composed of dark matter? We humans are > derived from this earth matrix, are we then also mostly dark matter? > > P.C.Stelzner All measurement of the distribution of dark matter indicate that is does not clump but in galactic and larger scales. Humans and the earth are made of atoms. You should have learned that in elementary school. > > Burt<macromi...@yahoo.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > All measurement of the distribution of dark matter indicate that > is does not clump but in galactic and larger scales. Again, you know this fact because? > Humans and > the earth are made of atoms. You should have learned that in > elementary school. Actually, most of us in elementary school learned that the entire universe is composed of a mix of atotoms and a a combination of radiated and kinetic energy. This idea persist until about the third year of undergraduate studies, where you begin to be introduced to in preparation for graduate school studies. I guess that eduction must trash peoples innovative imagination, but its been my observation that creative imagination not based on factual knowledge leads only to whimsical nonsense, Here, feel free to cite a single case that proves me wrong. Harry C. >>> Burt<macromi...@yahoo.com>, >>> The Earth is primarily composed of dark matter? We humans are >>> derived from this earth matrix, are we then also mostly dark matter? >>> P.C.Stelzner >> All measurement of the distribution of dark matter indicate that >> is does not clump but in galactic and larger scales. > > Again, you know this fact because? We see no gravitational evidence of clumped dark matter in our solar system. We see no gravitational evidence of clumped dark matter in galaxies. Dark matter maps reveal cosmic scaffolding http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0701594 I suggest: follow the references http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#References http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/dark_matter.html http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070820.html http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070516.html http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030814.html http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060824.html >> Humans and >> the earth are made of atoms. You should have learned that in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Here, feel free to cite a single case that proves me wrong. Not sure what you would have me cite.... but we have no evidence suggesting that there is anything of significance mass wise other than atoms in human, the earth, solar system and stars. -Sam > Harry C. > Burt<macromi...@yahoo.com>, > > The Earth is primarily composed of dark matter? We humans are > derived from this earth matrix, are we then also mostly dark matter? > > P.C.Stelzner Steltzer, how exactly do you claim to know this as a fact? I'm a physcist an I don't know this is a fact. In fact, all I know about black matter is that it appears to be a popular concept in Cosmology, while it doesn't appear to exist in real physics.Some people try to convince me that the moon is composed of a mix of dark matter and green cheese. Others post that Elvis (the King) pears weekly at a soda fountain in Copley Square in Boston on each friday of every month beginning with the letter "J" There appears to be little evidence to support this as a fact.. Lots of people hold many strange beliefs, and you appear to be one of these. Harry C, Harry C. I agree that dark matter, as currently conceived is problematic, my post was pointing that out by asking Burt, whom I was replying to, it our bodies are mostly dark matter, what evidence is there! Harry, have you read the past string of this discussion? I think our ideas have more in common than you are giving me credit for. I'm hoping for the help of a physicist with a mathematical modeling of my ideas; or help in understanding why the ideas are untenable. P.C.Stelzner > Burt<macromi...@yahoo.com>, > > The Earth is primarily composed of dark matter? We humans are > derived from this earth matrix, are we then also mostly dark matter? > > P.C.Stelzner That's the point matter and Dark Matter had a comon origin at the Big Bang. They would comingle by their gravity till this day. But The Sun Earth and stars tell a different story. Dark matter is bunk. I can solve the anomoly that triggered the invention of Dark matter into astronomy. Mitch Raemsch Mr. Mitch Raemsch, I agree dark matter as envisioned is bunk; I would be interested in learning your view on the solution to this conundrum, the missing mass of the universe. I think it is in the form of black holes in the center of galaxies! P.C.Stelzner > Mr. Mitch Raemsch, > > I agree dark matter as envisioned is bunk; I would be interested > in learning your view on the solution to this conundrum, the missing > mass of the universe. I think it is in the form of black holes in the > center of galaxies! Then it would have a field that drops off as the inverse square of the radius, and the resulting orbits of stars in the galaxy would be more Keplerian. This does not fit the observed data for orbital speeds versus radius. Mr. Greg Neill, Thank you, finally the beginning of a discussion without an emotional overlay. I agree that if most of the mass of the system resided in the central dark hole, then we would see a Keplerian out-come. But, consider if along with a central concentration of mass, there is also localized black-holes spread throughout the galactic body that act as a scaffolding, a bony frame work that supports the whole and moves the totality as a unit. A web of mass underlying the luminous universe that gives a rigidity to the totality. P.C.Stelzner > Mr. Greg Neill, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > totality as a unit. A web of mass underlying the luminous universe > that gives a rigidity to the totality. I think, given the purported amount of dark matter compared to normal matter, that the number of black holes required to fill in for it would make them rather obvious unless they were all of uniform small size (how likely is that?). Black holes give off quite a bit of radiation as they eat, and local star orbits would be purturbed. We'd see a a good rate of black hole mergers (with characteristic radiation signatures) too. Greg, I don't see black holes residing in the body of the galaxy as having a uniform small size, I see the central black hole as having the majority of mass, and as the distance from the center increases, the number and size of black holes decreases. This dark matter that eats the gas and luminous material in the galaxy is slow, but relentless; the spectacular x-ray and gamma-ray events would be few when seen from the short term, but if we could see the long term we would see a gradual movement toward centers. P.C.Stelzner > Greg, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > P.C.Stelzner The galactic rotation curves contradict your idea(s) Paul. http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/astronomy/fix/student/chapter23/23f19.html > Mr. Greg Neill, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > P.C.Stelzner The galactic rotation curves indicate the majority of the mass reside OUTSIDE the visible galaxies... The data goes back seven decades. Is there some reason you don't look up the data before posting, Paul? > I agree dark matter as envisioned is bunk; I would be interested in > learning your view on the solution to this conundrum, the missing mass > of the universe. I think it is in the form of black holes in the center > of galaxies! Galactic rotation curves show that the unseen mass is NOT in the centers of galaxies.... The data goes back seven decades. Why don't you do a bit of research before spewing, Paul? > Mr. Mitch Raemsch, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > P.C.Stelzner Dark matter became plausible after the Bullet Nebula showed gravitational lensing decoupled from visible mass. One need only assign a composition. Given that dark matter has zero interactions other than gravitational, all relevant theory to date horribly stinks. Black holes cannot be dark matter - the mass distribution is ridiculously wrong. Yours is a statement of profound ignorance. Whatever causes the effect it must be spherically distributed well beyond the visible edge of a galacy to make its peripheral stars have their observed orbital dynamics.  SignatureUncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 |
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