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Romano Amodeo needs help to disclose the PHYSICS UNIFICATION made by     the New Italic School of Epistemology. His letter.

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Romano Amodeo - 16 Jul 2008 17:55 GMT
Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,

                                                           any who
searches gold, is glad when finds a pure sign of gold in a immense
river... The gold that the New Italic School of Epistemology,
searching and purifying the physical matter, has found, is even the
PHYSICS UNIFICATION.
Now I really hope that you don't throw away - suddenly - all this
river of our researches, only for distrust or... as soon as you'll
believe that its sand is not "all made of gold"... if you really
search a new start for yourselves!
The Purified Physics will soon allow the perfect calculus of the 2
necessary Forces (of magnetism and pressure) to realize the Atomic
Fusion.
Please, let you read! If you don't believe that our result was
possible, let you search in it at least a new starting for your
research!
The N.I.S. needs it at most, because nobody knows its work, and asks
modestly the help for reaching together this goal

A new start for your researches can happen, already, simply "noting
the lack of purity"  existing today in the application of the
Einstein's General Relativity.

  1. While Einstein needed an "absolute" speed as c in E = mc^2...,
and while by "pure" Principle the "absolute" in Physics is what is
"not dependent on - or relative to - anything else"..., the "light
speed" hasn't this "absolute" condition... if Physics respects this
"pure" Principe about "its absolute". In fact it is dependent on - and
relative to - the real electromagnetic front, that speed being
certainly of a flow of a volume... but this front, or section, is
lacking!
  2. If Physics respects the "purity" in E=mc^2, how could m (a mass
that has its volume) be accelerated... not how a speed of "volume"?
The "pure" light speed isn't speed of volume lacking its
electromagnetic front! In our N.I.S. calculations, its 299 792 458 m
s^-1 results to be, at 10^-8 m^2 unitary dimension, the movement of
the front big 1.0006922855944561487267301434248, for 1 m^3 s^-1 of
flow, flow of the "pure" its existence... and the speed in line is
clearly of 3/1 m s^-1, when it is "flow of volume", and not only the
"undefined" speed 299 792 458 m s^-1, even if it is always invariant!
  3. In Mathematics an "absolute" quantity hasn't the algebraic sign
of a Vector of real speed, so also in Mathematics the 299 792 458 m/s
in a direction, of the light speed, isn't an "absolute" mathematical
quantity, if Physics respects the mathematical "purity" in the D.M.S.
(decimal metric system) of the SI units. If the "purity" imposes the
volume's flow, 3 m^3 s^-1 is a "pure" math quantity of existence,
divided in 1 s of duration, and it is not a vector!
  4. The SI units have the 10 cycle as the common unit of its decimal
units, so its "only invariant number" is 9, if the Physics respects
the "purity" of the D.M.S. of the SI. Its "purity" shows the 1 mass
falling of 9, or the 9 energy falling of 1. 1 and 9 are reciprocal
numbers, in the cycle 10. 1+9=10, or 10-9=1. The first expands 1 to 10
through +9 spaces, the second amasses 10 in 1 through -9 spaces. +9 an
-9 are all the "imposed" movement's energies, "imposed as fundament"
by the D.M.S. of the SI units.
  5. The lack of UNIFICATION - finally - seems the lack of "purity"
consisting just in the "violation" of this 9 invariant number of the
D.M.S., when are adopted, at its "due" place, 2 different numbers of
units... in the same electromagnetism: A) 8.98755... in 10^16 m^2 s^-2
for the expanded c^2 mass B) 9,10938754 in 10^-31 kg for the amassed
electron's mass..., where the "purity" imposes that a "number of mass"
is not dependent on its form: diffused or amassed. Afterwards, adopted
involuntarily 2 different "numbers", - strangely - it is more than 100
years that the Physics asks in vain "why" there is not unity! And it
tries an "impossible" real connection between the forces! It is
impossible to reach, when we have introduced 2 "inverse mistakes",
introducing not "pure Forces", but 2 different "space/time Moments":
one negative in the full light expansion (what lacks to 3, in
2.99792...), and one positive in the full amassing of the light (what
is more than 9, in the 9.198389754 of the electron).

It is a question of "purity" that the "unit" represents everything.
So, being 1 m^3 the unit of the volume, amassed in 3 directions, it is
3 m^3 simultaneously amassed in 1, that are passing in the existence's
time as 3 m^3 s^-1, having the speed in line of 3 m s^-1, that becomes
exactly the "absolute" 3×10^8 m s^-1 when the section is of 10^-8 m^2
(that unitary of the candela, the unitary intensity of the light of
the SI). So only the "ideal purity" approaches the "know-how", and we
understand because,  in s^-1, we don't perceive 300 000 000 m, but 299
792 458 m.
We have a front wider than the Å^2 10^12 = m^2 10^-8 of the candela;
the real front is 1.000692285594...×10^-8 m^2. There is certainly a
space/time Moment (equal to the precise part exceeding 1 candela),
that gets in "properly" the "moment's worth", that is the "real
duration" of our perceived "moment of space-time". The lacking 207.542
m (in  300 000 000 m), are certainly put as "the time", in an only
"virtual and imaginary" section (of our mind), to place after the
presence and to really scatter (all what exists only simultaneously)
in the light's time perception of the time-present mass. We have the
PROOFS, of this system to act of our intelligence, to live a life
having same duration and not... all together. It's necessary the
scattered time in every "music".

SO THIS IS OUR THESIS.
In E = mc^2 the lack of Unification depends on the "lack of purity" :
1) about the "Absolute" speed of the electromagnetic volume; 2) about
the Atomic Forces of its masses. The first isn't "pure" in a
"measured" speed, but it is the linear definition of the mass
"present" in a volume, indirectly already assumed with 1 m and 1 kg
related to the Earth mass. The second is the "Force of the mass" and
not the "Moment of its Force", that today is exchanged for a "pure"
Force.

AN THIS IS OUR SYNTHESIS

PURIFICATION OF THE c^2. The "absolute" speed of the electromagnetism
was indirectly fixed in 3×10^8 m/s BY DEFINITION, when 1 m was defined
as the 10^-7 of 1/4 of the Earth Meridian, and as the cycle of 10
decimal unitary masses put in sequence. In that precise moment the
space of 3/4 of the Meridian's length was 3×10^7 m long, and the 10
cycle of this present mass was necessarily of 3×10^8 m/s. Since the
unit in the SI is the 10 cycle, this absolute speed isn't 3/1 m/s (but
10^8 times bigger) only by the m imposed as 10^-8 of the cycle of the
unitary mass. When there is the PURE RESPECT for the Principles, the
c^2 measured with this m is necessarily  the absolute 9 m^2 s^-2 that
must be ×10^16 times... because the m dimension's definition!

PURIFICATION OF THE ATOMIC MASS. Again according to the initial
definitions, when m 1/10 is the length of the side of the unitary mass
of 1 dm^3 of water, and its unitary cycle is that of the 10 dm of 1 m,
the most fall of 1 dm^3 of water (occupying 1 dm in height in the 10
dm of its dynamic cycle in height) is certainly of 9 dm, and certainly
the energy is 9 (as how 9 kg fallen of 1, as how 1 kg fallen of 9). It
is correct, having the same number 9 of the energy of the absolute
expansion 9, were there is equivalence between energy and mass.
Therefore, when there is the PURE RESPECT for the Principles, 9 is the
most unitary free energy, or  the most free mass. Since 9,109389754
×10^-31 kg is the unitary mass of the free electron, and 9,109389754
is more than 9, it isn't the PURE FORCE of the mass, but probably it
is the Moment of its Force. How 60° measured to the Sun aren't the
Sun's Temperature (since the incidence of the space)... so 9,109389754
×10^-31 kg isn't the electron mass (since the incidence of the atomic
space). The space/time acts as in the macro, as in the micro of the
dimension. If the result of a balancing shows always this "moment", it
is always a "moment" and never becomes a "pure" Force.
Purifying the Forces of the masses, we have seen how all the physical
constants, at the same dimensions, assume the worthies of pure ratios,
in their number.

(Only for example: c is 3/1=3; c^2 is 3×3=9; Planck constant is 400/
(3+3)=66.6666...; Plank mass is 3×7=21; Planck time is (3×3)×(3+3)=54;
a.m.u. is 100/(3+3)=16.666...; electron mass in kg is 3×3=9; electron
mass in a.m.u. is 0.009/(16.6666...)=0.00054, or 540 (the candela's
number)/10^6=0.00054; electron mass in MeV is 54 -2(of MeV front)=52;
electron corpuscle in a.m.u. is 0,00054/3=0,00018; electron radius is
54/18=3;   electron Volt and electric charge are 2^4=16; Avogadro's
number is 6=the Log of (10^10):(10^4); fine structure is the Log of
(10^100)×[10^-(3^3)]=73; Boltzman constant is (10^4)/
(73-1)=138.8888...; molar constant of gasses is 100/12=8,3333...;
Rydberg constant is 10/(0,90 periodic)=11, molar volume of an ideal
gas is 10/(0.45 periodic)=22, Faraday constant is (2^4)^6=96, etc.).

THIS WILL SOON OPEN TO ATOMIC FUSION. Cut away in all the atomic
masses what today is only the "Moment of the Force", and obtained the
PURITY of the FORCES, finally the Physics is unified an can do the
perfect calculus of the Forces to UNIFY also two hydrogen's atoms.
Finally it'll be possible until the real calculus of the true Force
(of magnetism and pressure) to compel - by magnetism - the lining up
of all the rotation's axes of the electron orbital planes, and - by
pressure - the penetration of two orbital planes made relatively
motionless because rotating at the same angular speed. Finally we'll
have the atomic fusion possibility obtained by the PURE calculus of
the real FORCES, once purified and unified the Physical Forces.

THE PRIER. Physics Institutes, scientists keen on the Research,
please, let you collaborate an disclose this important new, if you
really love the Physics an the men life, in a moment so in need of
"pure" energy!

Now we really do this real PRAYER to anyone seriously looks for the
advancement of the knowledge:
"If you desire to receive all the documents of our work, please, let
you contact us, writing in e-mail to ra.amodeo@libero.it, or
telephoning, or writing by post. Your contacts will be always wished
and always welcome!".
I deliberately do not write other, to not scare - once more - the real
reading... through our immense work made in tenths of years of
secluded studies.

Thank you!

Romano Amodeo
New Italic School of Epistemology
Via Larga 12, 21047 Saronno (VA) - ITALY
tel.: 339 2475658 - e-mail:  ra.amodeo@libero.it
Uncle Al - 16 Jul 2008 18:35 GMT
> Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> searching and purifying the physical matter, has found, is even the
> PHYSICS UNIFICATION.
[snip crap]

So sad.  One wonders if stooopidity is his mamaloshen.

> The Purified Physics will soon allow the perfect calculus of the 2
> necessary Forces (of magnetism and pressure) to realize the Atomic
> Fusion.
[snip more crap]

>    2. If Physics respects the "purity" in E=mc^2, how could m (a mass
> that has its volume) be accelerated... not how a speed of "volume"?
> The "pure" light speed isn't speed of volume lacking its
> electromagnetic front!
[snip even more crap]

> the movement of
> the front big 1.0006922855944561487267301434248,
[snip still more crap]

32 significant figures.  Ignorance is not a form of knowing things.

> PURIFICATION OF THE c^2. The "absolute" speed of the electromagnetism
> was indirectly fixed in 3×10^8 m/s BY DEFINITION, when 1 m was defined
> as the 10^-7 of 1/4 of the Earth Meridian,
[snip rest of crap]

Hey stooopid - a metric "meter" is the length of a Paris one second
pendulum measured poorly, not a geographic length measured to insane
perfection.

> Romano Amodeo
> New Italic School of Epistemology

You misspelled "Sciolism"

<http://www.edu-observatory.org/physics-faq/Relativity/SR/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on Special Relativity

<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2006-3/>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
Experimental constraints on General Relativity

Signature

Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

Androcles - 16 Jul 2008 20:50 GMT
Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,

                                                           any who
searches gold, is glad when finds a pure sign of gold in a immense
river... The gold that the New Italic School of Epistemology,
searching and purifying the physical matter, has found, is even the
PHYSICS UNIFICATION.
Now I really hope that you don't throw away - suddenly - all this
river of our researches, only for distrust or... as soon as you'll
believe that its sand is not "all made of gold"... if you really
search a new start for yourselves!
The Purified Physics will soon allow the perfect calculus of the 2
necessary Forces (of magnetism and pressure) to realize the Atomic
Fusion.
Please, let you read! If you don't believe that our result was
possible, let you search in it at least a new starting for your
research!
The N.I.S. needs it at most, because nobody knows its work, and asks
modestly the help for reaching together this goal

A new start for your researches can happen, already, simply "noting
the lack of purity"  existing today in the application of the
Einstein's General Relativity.

  1. While Einstein needed an "absolute" speed as c in E = mc^2...,
and while by "pure" Principle the "absolute" in Physics is what is
"not dependent on - or relative to - anything else"..., the "light
speed" hasn't this "absolute" condition... if Physics respects this
"pure" Principe about "its absolute". In fact it is dependent on - and
relative to - the real electromagnetic front, that speed being
certainly of a flow of a volume... but this front, or section, is
lacking!
  2. If Physics respects the "purity" in E=mc^2, how could m (a mass
that has its volume) be accelerated... not how a speed of "volume"?
The "pure" light speed isn't speed of volume lacking its
electromagnetic front! In our N.I.S. calculations, its 299 792 458 m
s^-1 results to be, at 10^-8 m^2 unitary dimension, the movement of
the front big 1.0006922855944561487267301434248, for 1 m^3 s^-1 of
flow, flow of the "pure" its existence... and the speed in line is
clearly of 3/1 m s^-1, when it is "flow of volume", and not only the
"undefined" speed 299 792 458 m s^-1, even if it is always invariant!
  3. In Mathematics an "absolute" quantity hasn't the algebraic sign
of a Vector of real speed, so also in Mathematics the 299 792 458 m/s
in a direction, of the light speed, isn't an "absolute" mathematical
quantity, if Physics respects the mathematical "purity" in the D.M.S.
(decimal metric system) of the SI units. If the "purity" imposes the
volume's flow, 3 m^3 s^-1 is a "pure" math quantity of existence,
divided in 1 s of duration, and it is not a vector!
  4. The SI units have the 10 cycle as the common unit of its decimal
units, so its "only invariant number" is 9, if the Physics respects
the "purity" of the D.M.S. of the SI. Its "purity" shows the 1 mass
falling of 9, or the 9 energy falling of 1. 1 and 9 are reciprocal
numbers, in the cycle 10. 1+9=10, or 10-9=1. The first expands 1 to 10
through +9 spaces, the second amasses 10 in 1 through -9 spaces. +9 an
-9 are all the "imposed" movement's energies, "imposed as fundament"
by the D.M.S. of the SI units.
  5. The lack of UNIFICATION - finally - seems the lack of "purity"
consisting just in the "violation" of this 9 invariant number of the
D.M.S., when are adopted, at its "due" place, 2 different numbers of
units... in the same electromagnetism: A) 8.98755... in 10^16 m^2 s^-2
for the expanded c^2 mass B) 9,10938754 in 10^-31 kg for the amassed
electron's mass..., where the "purity" imposes that a "number of mass"
is not dependent on its form: diffused or amassed. Afterwards, adopted
involuntarily 2 different "numbers", - strangely - it is more than 100
years that the Physics asks in vain "why" there is not unity! And it
tries an "impossible" real connection between the forces! It is
impossible to reach, when we have introduced 2 "inverse mistakes",
introducing not "pure Forces", but 2 different "space/time Moments":
one negative in the full light expansion (what lacks to 3, in
2.99792...), and one positive in the full amassing of the light (what
is more than 9, in the 9.198389754 of the electron).

It is a question of "purity" that the "unit" represents everything.
So, being 1 m^3 the unit of the volume, amassed in 3 directions, it is
3 m^3 simultaneously amassed in 1, that are passing in the existence's
time as 3 m^3 s^-1, having the speed in line of 3 m s^-1, that becomes
exactly the "absolute" 3×10^8 m s^-1 when the section is of 10^-8 m^2
(that unitary of the candela, the unitary intensity of the light of
the SI). So only the "ideal purity" approaches the "know-how", and we
understand because,  in s^-1, we don't perceive 300 000 000 m, but 299
792 458 m.
We have a front wider than the Å^2 10^12 = m^2 10^-8 of the candela;
the real front is 1.000692285594...×10^-8 m^2. There is certainly a
space/time Moment (equal to the precise part exceeding 1 candela),
that gets in "properly" the "moment's worth", that is the "real
duration" of our perceived "moment of space-time". The lacking 207.542
m (in  300 000 000 m), are certainly put as "the time", in an only
"virtual and imaginary" section (of our mind), to place after the
presence and to really scatter (all what exists only simultaneously)
in the light's time perception of the time-present mass. We have the
PROOFS, of this system to act of our intelligence, to live a life
having same duration and not... all together. It's necessary the
scattered time in every "music".

SO THIS IS OUR THESIS.
In E = mc^2 the lack of Unification depends on the "lack of purity" :
1) about the "Absolute" speed of the electromagnetic volume; 2) about
the Atomic Forces of its masses. The first isn't "pure" in a
"measured" speed, but it is the linear definition of the mass
"present" in a volume, indirectly already assumed with 1 m and 1 kg
related to the Earth mass. The second is the "Force of the mass" and
not the "Moment of its Force", that today is exchanged for a "pure"
Force.

AN THIS IS OUR SYNTHESIS

PURIFICATION OF THE c^2. The "absolute" speed of the electromagnetism
was indirectly fixed in 3×10^8 m/s BY DEFINITION, when 1 m was defined
as the 10^-7 of 1/4 of the Earth Meridian, and as the cycle of 10
decimal unitary masses put in sequence. In that precise moment the
space of 3/4 of the Meridian's length was 3×10^7 m long, and the 10
cycle of this present mass was necessarily of 3×10^8 m/s. Since the
unit in the SI is the 10 cycle, this absolute speed isn't 3/1 m/s (but
10^8 times bigger) only by the m imposed as 10^-8 of the cycle of the
unitary mass. When there is the PURE RESPECT for the Principles, the
c^2 measured with this m is necessarily  the absolute 9 m^2 s^-2 that
must be ×10^16 times... because the m dimension's definition!

PURIFICATION OF THE ATOMIC MASS. Again according to the initial
definitions, when m 1/10 is the length of the side of the unitary mass
of 1 dm^3 of water, and its unitary cycle is that of the 10 dm of 1 m,
the most fall of 1 dm^3 of water (occupying 1 dm in height in the 10
dm of its dynamic cycle in height) is certainly of 9 dm, and certainly
the energy is 9 (as how 9 kg fallen of 1, as how 1 kg fallen of 9). It
is correct, having the same number 9 of the energy of the absolute
expansion 9, were there is equivalence between energy and mass.
Therefore, when there is the PURE RESPECT for the Principles, 9 is the
most unitary free energy, or  the most free mass. Since 9,109389754
×10^-31 kg is the unitary mass of the free electron, and 9,109389754
is more than 9, it isn't the PURE FORCE of the mass, but probably it
is the Moment of its Force. How 60° measured to the Sun aren't the
Sun's Temperature (since the incidence of the space)... so 9,109389754
×10^-31 kg isn't the electron mass (since the incidence of the atomic
space). The space/time acts as in the macro, as in the micro of the
dimension. If the result of a balancing shows always this "moment", it
is always a "moment" and never becomes a "pure" Force.
Purifying the Forces of the masses, we have seen how all the physical
constants, at the same dimensions, assume the worthies of pure ratios,
in their number.

(Only for example: c is 3/1=3; c^2 is 3×3=9; Planck constant is 400/
(3+3)=66.6666...; Plank mass is 3×7=21; Planck time is (3×3)×(3+3)=54;
a.m.u. is 100/(3+3)=16.666...; electron mass in kg is 3×3=9; electron
mass in a.m.u. is 0.009/(16.6666...)=0.00054, or 540 (the candela's
number)/10^6=0.00054; electron mass in MeV is 54 -2(of MeV front)=52;
electron corpuscle in a.m.u. is 0,00054/3=0,00018; electron radius is
54/18=3;   electron Volt and electric charge are 2^4=16; Avogadro's
number is 6=the Log of (10^10):(10^4); fine structure is the Log of
(10^100)×[10^-(3^3)]=73; Boltzman constant is (10^4)/
(73-1)=138.8888...; molar constant of gasses is 100/12=8,3333...;
Rydberg constant is 10/(0,90 periodic)=11, molar volume of an ideal
gas is 10/(0.45 periodic)=22, Faraday constant is (2^4)^6=96, etc.).

THIS WILL SOON OPEN TO ATOMIC FUSION. Cut away in all the atomic
masses what today is only the "Moment of the Force", and obtained the
PURITY of the FORCES, finally the Physics is unified an can do the
perfect calculus of the Forces to UNIFY also two hydrogen's atoms.
Finally it'll be possible until the real calculus of the true Force
(of magnetism and pressure) to compel - by magnetism - the lining up
of all the rotation's axes of the electron orbital planes, and - by
pressure - the penetration of two orbital planes made relatively
motionless because rotating at the same angular speed. Finally we'll
have the atomic fusion possibility obtained by the PURE calculus of
the real FORCES, once purified and unified the Physical Forces.

THE PRIER. Physics Institutes, scientists keen on the Research,
please, let you collaborate an disclose this important new, if you
really love the Physics an the men life, in a moment so in need of
"pure" energy!

Now we really do this real PRAYER to anyone seriously looks for the
advancement of the knowledge:
"If you desire to receive all the documents of our work, please, let
you contact us, writing in e-mail to ra.amodeo@libero.it, or
telephoning, or writing by post. Your contacts will be always wished
and always welcome!".
I deliberately do not write other, to not scare - once more - the real
reading... through our immense work made in tenths of years of
secluded studies.

Thank you!

Romano Amodeo
New Italic School of Epistemology
Via Larga 12, 21047 Saronno (VA) - ITALY
tel.: 339 2475658 - e-mail:  ra.amodeo@libero.it

what a load of hype bullshit ...<yawn>
*plonk*
Jim Black - 17 Jul 2008 03:04 GMT
> what a load of hype bullshit ...<yawn>
>  *plonk*

Better to roll physics back to Newton, right?  I think there's a saying
about glass houses...

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Androcles - 17 Jul 2008 08:05 GMT
| > what a load of hype bullshit ...<yawn>
| >  *plonk*
|
| Better to roll physics back to Newton, right?  I think there's a saying
| about glass houses...

Better that than Nostradamus or Einstein.
 Why did Einstein say
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the "time" each way is the same?

1/2[tau(A)+tau(A')]= tau(B)
where
A = (0,0,0,t)
A' =(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v) +x'/(c+v))
B = (x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
x' = x-vt

Ref:  http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif

"Easy: he did NOT say that." - cretin harald.vanlintelButNotThis@epfl.ch
According to moron van lintel, Einstein did not write the equation he wrote.

According to xxein:
It is an artefactual/superficially imposed yin-yang of sorts.

According to Lamenting Shubert:
Why do you want to know?

'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A' because I SAY SO and you have to
agree because I'm the great genius, STOOOPID, don't you
dare question it. -- Rabbi Albert Einstein

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/tAB=tBA.gif
Jim Black - 18 Jul 2008 11:58 GMT
>|> what a load of hype bullshit ...<yawn>
>|>  *plonk*
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>  Ref:  http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif

(from http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/#SECTION13)

> "Easy: he did NOT say that." - cretin harald.vanlintelButNotThis@epfl.ch
> According to moron van lintel, Einstein did not write the equation he wrote.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>  http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/tAB=tBA.gif

For some reason I feel like a serious response.  I won't even snip your
post.  But I have set followups to sci.physics.relativity, which is the
standard place for this discussion.  You can set them back if you feel like
it, but you'll piss off the people who don't know how to use a killfile.

So here goes:

In neither system (meaning frame of reference in modern-day terminology) is
the speed of light c-v or c+v.  In both systems the speed of light is c.

To make what follows clearer I will use underscore-style "subscripts" on
all coordinates so you can tell which point/event the coordinate describes.
In this notation, the equation Einstein wrote becomes:

------------------------------------------------------------

(1/2)[tau_A + tau_A'] = tau_B

(x',y,z,t)_A = ( 0,    0, 0, t_A )
(x',y,z,t)_A' =( 0,    0, 0, t_A + x'_B/(c-v) + x'_B/(c+v) )
(x',y,z,t)_B = ( x'_B, 0, 0, t_A + x'_B/(c-v) )

------------------------------------------------------------

where

A  = the origin of the system k when the light is emitted
B  = some point on the x-axis when the light is reflected
A' = the origin of the system k when the light gets back

x, y, z, and t are coordinates and time in the system K
xi, eta, zeta, and tau are coordinates and time in the system k

and x' is Einstein's shorthand for x - vt.

Now we are going to derive this, one subequation at a time.  There are
thirteen of them.

t_A = t_A [#1] and x'_B = x'_B [#2] are tautologies.

Einstein specified that the x-axis and the xi-axis are the same.  Since the
origin of k and the point B lie on the xi-axis, they also lie on the
x-axis.  Therefore:

y_A = 0 [#3]
z_A = 0 [#4]
y_B = 0 [#5]
z_B = 0 [#6]
y_A' = 0 [#7]
z_A' = 0 [#8]

We're over halfway done now!  ;)

In the system K, the origin of k is moving along the x-axis at velocity v.  
Einstein has chosen that the two origins coincide at the time
t_{origins coincide}=0 in the system K (I don't see where Einstein states
this explicitly, but he must have made this choice, or he wouldn't have
gotten the equation we are now deriving).  Therefore:

x_A = v t_A
x_A - v t_A = 0
x'_A = 0
[#9]

and

x_A' = v t_A'
x_A' - v t_A' = 0
x'_A' = 0
[#10]

In the system K, the light is emitted at position x_A and moves along the
x-axis with velocity c until it reaches x_B.

The time elapsed is t_B - t_A.
The distance traveled is x_B - x_A.

Therefore:
x_B - x_A = c (t_B - t_A)

Using

x'_A = x_A - v t_A
x'_B = x_B - v t_B

which is equivalent to

x_A = x'_A + v t_A
x_B = x'_B + v t_B

we eliminate x_B and x_A in favor of the x' variables:

x'_B + v t_B - x'_A - v t_A = c (t_B - t_A)

We already know x'_A is zero, so:

x'_B + v t_B - v t_A = c (t_B - t_A)

Now we solve for t_B:

x'_B + v (t_B - t_A) = c (t_B - t_A)
x'_B = (c-v) (t_B - t_A)
t_B - t_A = x'_B/(c-v)
t_B = t_A + x'_B/(c-v)
[#11]

Still working in the system K, the light is reflected at position x_B and
moves along the x-axis with velocity -c until it reaches x_A'.  Therefore:

x_A' - x_B = -c (t_A' - t_B)

Again, we use

x_B = x'_B + v t_B
x_A' = x'_A' + v t_A'

to eliminate the x variables:

x'_A' + v t_A' - x'_B - v t_B = -c (t_A' - t_B)

We use x'_A' = 0:

v t_A' - x'_B - v t_B = -c (t_A' - t_B)

And we solve for t_A':

v (t_A' v t_B) - x'_B = -c (t_A' - t_B)
-x'_B = (-c-v) (t_A' - t_B)
t_A' - t_B = x'_B/(c+v)
t_A' = t_B + x'_B/(c+v)

Plugging in our result for t_B':

t_A' = t_A + x'_B/(c-v) + x'_B/(c+v)
[#12]

Notice that nowhere in the derivation of #11 or #12 have we assumed that
the speed of light was c-v or c+v.

The last thing to do is to show that (1/2)[tau_A + tau_A'] = tau_B.  Notice
that this last equation is a statement about the tau coordinates.  Tau is
the time in the system k.  Everything we have done prior to this has been
in the system K.  We have said nothing about the system k, other than where
its axes and origin are in the system K.

In the system k, light is emitted from the origin at the time tau_A, and it
moves along the xi-axis with velocity c until it reaches point B, where it
is reflected back to the origin at the same speed, arriving at time tau_A'.
Obviously the origin of k does not move in the system k, so the distance is
the same both ways.  Since both the distance and the speed are the same
both ways, the time is the same both ways:

tau_A' - tau_B = tau_B - tau_A
tau_A' + tau_A = 2 tau_B
tau_B = (1/2)[tau_A' + tau_A]
[#13]

And that's why Einstein said:
(1/2)[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] = tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))

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Romano Amodeo - 17 Jul 2008 13:38 GMT
> Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
>
[quoted text clipped - 185 lines]
> what a load of hype bullshit ...<yawn>
>  *plonk*

For my modest ability to understand your language, full of too much
idiomatic expression, I don't know what I can replay.
terenz8 - 16 Jul 2008 20:58 GMT
> Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
>
[quoted text clipped - 166 lines]
>
> leggi tutto

I have reed the letter of this Italian Teacher, and the answer of
"Uncle Al", and the difference is EVIDENT.
The first is a man who show the base of his reasoning, the second is
only a man that makes generical affirmations always demostrating ONE,
ONE only, through a real reasoning. Moreover, for an Italian, it is
even difficult to understand what he says, beacause the use not of a
language but a slang, a jargon.

The important, in the world, is the RESPECT of the others. We haven't
stupids! Neither "Uncle Al" is it, but he do it.

Why there is not UNIFICATION IN PHYSICS? This is the question.
Really there is an excaping and evasive reason... and whoever employs
his life to catch this... slimy eel, must be admired.
I share all the observations made from this New Italic School that I
have never heard, and image how much difficult is to seach out of the
general way a new way to have the solution of this problem.
I repeat. I also am a student of these relations and I have not found
mestakes in the Romano Amodeo's thesis.
I invite everybody to pay the most attention, expecially to what it is
really new, and can seem a strange sing, in the first moment. Don't
pay attention to this rusced Uncle Al.

Thaks.
Romano Amodeo - 17 Jul 2008 13:47 GMT
> > Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,

....

> I have reed the letter of this Italian Teacher, and the answer of
> "Uncle Al", and the difference is EVIDENT.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Thaks.

Thank you for my defence, but it is not the case. I think that
everyone has his more or less Truth. I don't think that tha man is
stupid, but that eveyone reasons on the base of his knowledge.
For example, it is true that 5+3=8, but also that 5+3+2=10. Both are
truth, only more or less wide.
I am  grateful for your incitations to pay attention. This is really
important!

Romano Amodeo
jmfbahciv - 17 Jul 2008 14:03 GMT
>>> Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
> ....
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> For example, it is true that 5+3=8, but also that 5+3+2=10. Both are
> truth, only more or less wide.

Nope.  5 + 3 = 10   5 + 3 + 2 = 12

> I am  grateful for your incitations to pay attention. This is really
> important!

Do you know how to set up an experiment?  Hint:  there is no
such thing as truth in physics.

/BAH
ideas - 16 Jul 2008 21:30 GMT
> Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> please, let you collaborate an disclose this important new, if you
> really love the Physics an the men life, in a moment so in need of ...

I also am a man keen of the research and am full of admiration for
your original way to find a solution to this great problem of the
Physics.
If really the Moments of the forces, confused with the same forces,
are the cause of the impossibility to find a solution, and the numbers
of the Constants become so perfect how your example, the vantage for
the Physics will be immense!
Today every unitary quantity has a number with a lot of decimal that
are visible till at its possibility.
Afterwards a ratio how 400/6= 66.66666... is known at every dimension
we need it.
Please, can you tell me why 400/6 is the number of the Constant of
Planck?

Perhaps becouse 4 are the dimension, 10^2 is all the area having the
10 cycle how its side, so that 400 is all the real quantity that can
be divided by the 6 dimensions of xyz, in the 6 positive and negative
direction?
Is it so?
Best regards.
Jim Black - 17 Jul 2008 01:13 GMT
> I also am a man keen of the research and am full of admiration for
> your original way to find a solution to this great problem of the
> Physics.

Sockpuppets of the world unite!

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Igor - 17 Jul 2008 01:25 GMT
> > Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Please, can you tell me why 400/6 is the number of the Constant of
> Planck?

No, because 400/6 is nowhere near Planck's constant.

> Perhaps becouse 4 are the dimension, 10^2 is all the area having the
> 10 cycle how its side, so that 400 is all the real quantity that can
> be divided by the 6 dimensions of xyz, in the 6 positive and negative
> direction?
> Is it so?

All that proves is that you are a man of keen gibberish.
Romano Amodeo - 20 Jul 2008 13:01 GMT
> > On 16 Lug, 18:55,RomanoAmodeo<ra.amo...@libero.it> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> No, because 400/6 is nowhere near Planck's constant.

It's the exact quantity when the FORCES are unifyed! Today it aren't,
and the Constant of Plank is near to 66.66666... in its quantity.

> > Perhaps becouse 4 are the dimension, 10^2 is all the area having the
> > 10 cycle how its side, so that 400 is all the real quantity that can
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> All that proves is that you are a man of keen gibberish.- Nascondi testo citato

On the contray, I'm searching, you dlon't search, where the Physucs is
not unified!
This calculsu dear fiend, uses the VECTORS. Do yoy know what they are?

No?
I explayn it:
Vector. A quamtityin which both the magnitudeand the direction must be
stated. Force, velocity and field strength are examples of vector
quantities.Note that distance and speed are scalar quantities, whereas
displacement and velocity are vector quantities. Vector quantities
must be trated by vector algebra.
Bie bie.

> - Mostra testo citato
Igor - 21 Jul 2008 00:30 GMT
> > > On 16 Lug, 18:55,RomanoAmodeo<ra.amo...@libero.it> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> not unified!
> This calculsu dear fiend, uses the VECTORS. Do yoy know what they are?

> No?
> I explayn it:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> > - Mostra testo citato-

You come here with just a high school level understanding of vectors
and expect people to follow the rest of your gibberish?   Come back
when you have some more substantial experience under your belt.  A few
courses in English probably wouldn't hurt you either.
Romano Amodeo - 22 Jul 2008 14:56 GMT
> > > > On 16 Lug, 18:55,RomanoAmodeo<ra.amo...@libero.it> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
> when you have some more substantial experience under your belt.  A few
> courses in English probably wouldn't hurt you either.-

What is a "substantial experience"? A "thing" that is not BEFORE
UNDERSTOOD?
The INTELLIGENCE comes before, because withouth this ability you can
do all the "substantial experiences" of the world and you'll never
understand what you have with it!
The research must have TWO direction: from the general to the
particular and from the particular towards the general, and not only
one of these two lines.
If is not so you'll never undertand what you have... ine every field.
A few course in English is a good idea, but I haven't jet this time.
A last thing: I don't write this only for you, butfor the HISTORY.
The HISTORY is honest one and establishes finally WHO IS WHO.
I am not afraid to be recognized HOW THE STUPID OF THE VILLAGE...
because I AM NOT IT.
Others are the village's stupids. I not!
So I confide in the HISTORY, if I have not today around... walking
enciclopaedias.
Jim Black - 17 Jul 2008 01:11 GMT
> Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> searching and purifying the physical matter, has found, is even the
> PHYSICS UNIFICATION.

Don't you mean /physics unification/?

> Now I really hope that you don't throw away - suddenly - all this
> river of our researches, only for distrust or... as soon as you'll
> believe that its sand is not "all made of gold"... if you really
> search a new start for yourselves!

It's a river, alright.

> Please, let you read! If you don't believe that our result was
> possible, let you search in it at least a new starting for your
> research!

Sure...
"Jim, what have you accomplished this quarter?"
"I've systematically refuted 20 posters' half-assed theories!"
"Jim, stop wasting time on Usenet and get back to work."

> A new start for your researches can happen, already, simply "noting
> the lack of purity"  existing today in the application of the
> Einstein's General Relativity.

Must have been those damn Russians.  Always messing with our essence.

> In our N.I.S. calculations, its 299 792 458 m
> s^-1 results to be, at 10^-8 m^2 unitary dimension, the movement of
> the front big 1.0006922855944561487267301434248, for 1 m^3 s^-1 of
> flow, flow of the "pure" its existence...

Wow, that's impressive.  Did you have to use an LCG algorithm to generate
that string of digits?

> (Only for example: c is 3/1=3; c^2 is 3×3=9; Planck constant is 400/
> (3+3)=66.6666...; Plank mass is 3×7=21; Planck time is (3×3)×(3+3)=54;
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Rydberg constant is 10/(0,90 periodic)=11, molar volume of an ideal
> gas is 10/(0.45 periodic)=22, Faraday constant is (2^4)^6=96, etc.).

Have you contacted the Indiana state legislature yet?

> THIS WILL SOON OPEN TO ATOMIC FUSION.

No, no, it's /This will soon lead to atomic fusion./  Get it right.

> Now we really do this real PRAYER to anyone seriously looks for the
> advancement of the knowledge:
> "If you desire to receive all the documents of our work, please, let
> you contact us, writing in e-mail to ra.amodeo@libero.it, or
> telephoning, or writing by post. Your contacts will be always wished
> and always welcome!".

Amen!

> I deliberately do not write other, to not scare - once more - the real
> reading... through our immense work made in tenths of years of
> secluded studies.

In my culture, we use twelfths of years.  But in any case, it's good to see
that you haven't thrown away huge chunks of your life on developing a bunch
of babbling, incoherent nonsense.

> Thank you!
>
> Romano Amodeo
> New Italic School of Epistemology
> Via Larga 12, 21047 Saronno (VA) - ITALY
> tel.: 339 2475658 - e-mail:  ra.amodeo@libero.it

No, thank you.  In return for your post, you can expect a sampling of
information on the world's best male enhancement products to be sent to
that email address right away!

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Romano Amodeo - 18 Jul 2008 10:14 GMT
> > Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Don't you mean /physics unification/?

I mean it.

> > Now I really hope that you don't throw away - suddenly - all this
> > river of our researches, only for distrust or... as soon as you'll
> > believe that its sand is not "all made of gold"... if you really
> > search a new start for yourselves!
>
> It's a river, alright.

It is a river of researches.

> > Please, let you read! If you don't believe that our result was
> > possible, let you search in it at least a new starting for your
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> "I've systematically refuted 20 posters' half-assed theories!"
> "Jim, stop wasting time on Usenet and get back to work."

Its funny!

> > A new start for your researches can happen, already, simply "noting
> > the lack of purity"  existing today in the application of the
> > Einstein's General Relativity.
>
> Must have been those damn Russians.  Always messing with our essence.

Any damn, often, is made whithout a willing.

> > In our N.I.S. calculations, its 299 792 458 m
> > s^-1 results to be, at 10^-8 m^2 unitary dimension, the movement of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Wow, that's impressive.  Did you have to use an LCG algorithm to generate
> that string of digits?

No. I have done simly the division between the volume in quantity 3
m^3, and the line 2.99792458 runned by the light speed at the 10^-7
unitary dimension of the 10^3 unitary masses of 1 m^3 (because 10^7 x
10^3  are the 10^10 angstrom contained in 1 m), to ahve the real
Electromagnetic Area of this real flow:
3 : 2.99792458 = 1.0006922855944561487267301434248

> > (Only for example: c is 3/1=3; c^2 is 3×3=9; Planck constant is 400/
> > (3+3)=66.6666...; Plank mass is 3×7=21; Planck time is (3×3)×(3+3)=54;
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Have you contacted the Indiana state legislature yet?

Don't be cheerful, please. It is the result of years of study.
The mass of Plank, for example, results by the division of all the 4
real dimensions of the absolute area 10^2, so 400, that are divided in
one alone of the 6 directions +x +y +z -x -y -z of the negative-
positive complex space.
In each direction there are 66.666666... quantities known with extreme
precision at each necessary dimension. Today the number is different
from the PURE MASS, 66.666666... because it is measured the MOMENT of
the FORCE of the mass.
When Physics purifies the FORCES, cutting away their MOMENTS, we'll
know all starting from THE RATIO, and will be a question
ofintelligence, and not only of MEASUREMENT.
The INTELLIGENCE arrives to the REASON of a year of 365.25 days. On
the contary, tha actual answer of the science is that a year have this
duration... because it has it! What a beautiful answer.
We know the answer. It is:
(3+3)x(3+3)x(3/3 + 3x3) + { [(3/3 +3x3) -3] +[(3/3 +3x3) -3] +[(3/3
+3x3) -3] } x 1/4 =
= 360 + 21/4 = 360 + 5.25 = 365.25.

And the time minutes 9 primes 9.54 second added in the sidereal year?
Since 10^3 are all the unitary masse 1000, it unitary perception is
999/1, and we have 9 primes, 9 seconds and 9 thirds minute, these last
equal to 45/100 of second minute.
It is the General Relativity, jus employing all its definitions!

> > THIS WILL SOON OPEN TO ATOMIC FUSION.
>
> No, no, it's /This will soon lead to atomic fusion./  Get it right.

Excuse me. I only studied the English 55 years ago, between 1951 and
1954.
And I am a poor man, having very (or much?) few resources...

> > Now we really do this real PRAYER to anyone seriously looks for the
> > advancement of the knowledge:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Amen!

You say right... Amen!

> > I deliberately do not write other, to not scare - once more - the real
> > reading... through our immense work made in tenths of years of
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> information on the world's best male enhancement products to be sent to
> that email address right away!

I'll be grateful to you if I'll say the more indicated places to which
was possible to send my work, in way that they were STUDIED, with the
due attention, and not rejected at the first negative impression.

Romano Amodeo.
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Igor - 17 Jul 2008 01:20 GMT
> Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
>
[quoted text clipped - 166 lines]
>
> read more »

You're barking up the wrong tree.  Besides, nobody ordered the jumbo
word salad.
Romano Amodeo - 18 Jul 2008 10:25 GMT
> > Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,

...

> You're barking up the wrong tree.  Besides, nobody ordered the jumbo
> word salad.

I'm barking up every tree, hooping that, in the whole quantity, one is
that useful to our aims.
We are a poor School of Epistemology, that nobody knows also in Italy,
because it is out of the GENERAL CONSENS, and searchs with the most
freedom, not being conditioned - we hope - by other Forces if not
those of the pure and simple Intelligence.
well - 17 Jul 2008 11:08 GMT
> Dear attentive scientist, keen on the Physics Research,
>
[quoted text clipped - 166 lines]
>
> leggi tutto

Really the absolute length of a line is that which contains its
reference to the 3 lines of the Cartesian Tern xyz, or to the 3
spatial dimensions of Einstein, in (xyzt).
ONE side of the CUBE having 3 sides, is expressed in math how:
1 of 3, that is “in absolute” 1/3, that when it is referred to the
total 3 sides of the Tern is:
1/3 × 3/1 = 1 side “in absolute”, because referred to its full
reference.
We can name “velocity”, or “speed” this 3/1 of the Tern, because 3
sides exist in the space-time 1 of its side.
3/1, in this way, has the form of a velocity, being space/time, but it
isn’t a speed employing real time, because it is a simple “proportion”
between the three-dimensional presence of the 3 sides generators of
the volume, and the unitary presence of the space-time in line.
 
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