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Joe - 21 Jul 2008 20:56 GMT
Just noticed in the latest Scientific American a 2 page advertisement for a
book, "Our Undiscovered Universe" subtitled "Introducing Null Physics". The
book has a web site at www.ourundiscovereduniverse.com.

I'm no physicist but from looking at that web site- the subject/concept
looks flakey. That's OK, there's plenty of flakey scientists and non
scientific concepts such as creationism- but they seldom have 2 page
advertisements in  Scientific American- so, what's up with this "new"
physics? Does it have any respect in the scientific community?

Joe
Eric Gisse - 21 Jul 2008 21:19 GMT
> Just noticed in the latest Scientific American a 2 page advertisement for a
> book, "Our Undiscovered Universe" subtitled "Introducing Null Physics". The
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>
> Joe

Scientific American is sh.t these days, it is not respected to any
degree. Anyone can publish anything in there as long as the check
clears.
Igor - 22 Jul 2008 00:30 GMT
> Just noticed in the latest Scientific American a 2 page advertisement for a
> book, "Our Undiscovered Universe" subtitled "Introducing Null Physics". The
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>
> Joe

Anybody that claims that "the way we've been thinking about the
universe is completely wrong" is either feeding the hype machine or is
simply a total and irrevocable crank.  Either way, a serious red flag
should go up.
BradGuth - 22 Jul 2008 14:20 GMT
> > Just noticed in the latest Scientific American a 2 page advertisement for a
> > book, "Our Undiscovered Universe" subtitled "Introducing Null Physics". The
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> simply a total and irrevocable crank.  Either way, a serious red flag
> should go up.

Except that you'd "red flag" your own mother.  In the world of Igor,
change or revision of anything is not allowed.  Can you prove yourself
otherwise?

-     Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Jim Black - 22 Jul 2008 06:22 GMT
> Just noticed in the latest Scientific American a 2 page advertisement for a
> book, "Our Undiscovered Universe" subtitled "Introducing Null Physics". The
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> Joe

It is flakey.  You can tell by the way he throws around deep-sounding
statements that don't actually mean anything.  For example, the website
proclaims that "EXISTENCE SUMS TO NONEXISTENCE."  What does it mean to sum
existence?  How can nonexistence be the result of a sum?  Neither are
answered.  It doesn't take a degree in physics to spot this kind of stuff.

It's disappointing that the Scientific American is peddling this nonsense.
One can forgive them for getting things wrong as they try to oversimplify
things for their lay audience, but not for this.  They would probably argue
that they aren't responsible for the accuracy of their ads, but they
shouldn't be advertising something that they know to be blatant crap.

Fortunately, something good may come of this:  More readers will realize
that the Scientific American is not a reliable source of information.

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Androcles - 22 Jul 2008 07:43 GMT
| > Just noticed in the latest Scientific American a 2 page advertisement for a
| > book, "Our Undiscovered Universe" subtitled "Introducing Null Physics". The
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| It is flakey.

For some reason I feel like a serious response.

As flaky as

"In neither system (meaning frame of reference in modern-day
terminology) is the speed of light c-v or c+v.  In both systems
the speed of light is c." - The Black Assertion.

Why did Einstein say           (that's Einstein, not Jimmy Black)
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,                (in the K-frame)
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,               (in the K-frame)
the "time" each way is the same?                      (in the k-frame)

"He does not claim that light moves with velocity c-v in the K-frame." -
refer to the Black assertion.

Flaky, huh?
Joe - 22 Jul 2008 12:15 GMT
The first thing I thought after reviewing that web site was: that I expect
to find such stuff here in the Usenet, but certainly not in a 2 page add in
Scientific American. I like that magazine- it's fun to read but publishing
that advertisement certainly lowers their credibility.

Joe

>> Just noticed in the latest Scientific American a 2 page advertisement for
>> a
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> Fortunately, something good may come of this:  More readers will realize
> that the Scientific American is not a reliable source of information.
BradGuth - 22 Jul 2008 14:25 GMT
> > Just noticed in the latest Scientific American a 2 page advertisement for a
> > book, "Our Undiscovered Universe" subtitled "Introducing Null Physics". The
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> existence?  How can nonexistence be the result of a sum?  Neither are
> answered.  It doesn't take a degree in physics to spot this kind of stuff.

Did you bother to nicely ask the author via his website or email
feedback, or is taking everything out of context simply good enough?

-     Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
hhc314@yahoo.com - 24 Jul 2008 02:21 GMT
> > Just noticed in the latest Scientific American a 2 page advertisement for a
> > book, "Our Undiscovered Universe" subtitled "Introducing Null Physics". The
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Jim, most scientist will agree with you here. I think that you and I
both recall the magnifience articles published in Scintific American,
right thorough the last 1970,  I actually (and this is a true story)
of a close friend who woked an earned his doctorate) because he wanted
his Scientific American subscripton to be mailed to him a "Dr. ....".
Again, I am not making this up.

Realize, that for at least 30 years, Scientific American was the
bridge that connected the professional scientific journals to the lay
public. They primarily had their article written by the researchers
themselves, and the publication held consideralble value to both the
puubic and to reaearachers actually performing the research.  Most of
the article were devoted to the physical science.

I'm not sure that I can exactly recall the chain of events that led to
the compromise of Scientific American, but I believe it took place
around 1960 (give or take a decade or two) where it passed though a
multiple seriies of owners. When I allowed my subsciption to lapse, it
was the result of a change still another ownership.

IIRC, the decline of Scientific American began after the first change
of ownership in the magizine, at which point all of the regular
editors and contributors were abruptly fired.  Most of the other
specialty goups were also disconued  A regular feature of the
magazine, the 'Amateir Scientist' never recovered.  Since then, I
belive that the magazine was sold to a German publishing firm, who has
yet to figure out what all of the original immense newstand popularity
of Scientific American was based upon.

I belive that you and I both know what the tragic error was.

Harry C.
 
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