Natural Science Forum / Physics / General Physics / July 2008

On Jul 23, 9:03 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh>
wrote:

I feel sorry that not only don't you understand physics or even simple
algebra, but apparently the English language is a challenge for you
too.

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 Well if nothing else you've proved your mind's eye is completely blind.
Whether light seconds or light years, the object under [observation]
oncoming toward an observer will already be negative in time (light-time)
and be observed to be racing up through time toward the observer rather than
down which is tied to going away from the observer (racing down through time
(one light second, ten light seconds, a hundred light hours, one light year,
ten light years.....), therefore appearing to travel [backward!] in time
(APPEARING TO SLOW DOWN IN TIME!)).

 The traveler is seen to climb up out of those depths of time -- those
depths of history -- in crossing those now progressive ring-horizons of
light-time (those horizons of space-TIME) traveling toward the observer,
which is the appearance of a speed up in time, a speed up in the appearance
of clock time passing, and, therefore, the appearance of a speed up in
aging.

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 Damn it, that universe out there is the PAST observed -- a deeper and ever
deeper past always receding toward the Planck and Big Bang constant-stages
of the Universe -- in every direction going away from here and now
(everywhere here and now are)! What the hell other space-TIME environment
would any traveler....any traveler at all....be observed to go away from
observers into except backward (-) in time [time stepping] into those
histories (-), those recessionary (or retarded) times (-), from here and now
(0)? or, conversely, move, oncoming, toward observers here and now (0) up
(+) from out of (-)? Blind and stupid! Stupid!! STUPID!!!! That traveler
distant in space-TIME will look younger right where he is -- in the
distance -- than either he or his twin actually are. His clock will
[apparently] be in the past (-) right with that distant space / earlier time
image of him, clocking distantly historical time, behind the times, but
clocking time very swiftly, VERY SWIFTLY!, on its way to catching up to the
object reality of ITSELF upon arrival here and now (0)!

 Of everyone here, only Tom Roberts [seems] to be catching on that
observation is NOT the object reality of the thing being observed. That the
observation is behind in time -- however great or slight -- to the object
reality. Thus the object reality is in the future of the imagery in the
observation and there is only one clock that can / will handle both the
clock time of the observer and the clock time of the object reality
traveler: subbing (standing in) for the clock and clock time of the object
reality traveler so to tell the observer the difference in distance -- in
TIME at least -- between the historical traveler [observed] and the
[unobserved] object reality.

 For example: Sol is eight minutes out front in time of the [eight minute
younger] Sol observed from Earth. The object reality is eight minutes
older...its real-time NOW clock eight minutes in the future of the clock and
clock time OBSERVED! The Earth observer's clock is the clock handling the
difference in distance in time between Sol [observed] and Sol [unobserved].
It also handles telling the difference in distance in time between Andromeda
and its clock [observed from Earth] and Andromeda NOW and its NOW clock
[unobserved].... and so on the rest of the known universe, subbing (standing
in) for every unobserved / unobservable NOW clock. It stands in, here and
now, [as] the distant NOW clock [versus] the observed! Regarding travelers
oncoming to destinations, the [observed image-traveler] must apparently
ACCELERATE UP IN TIME, thus apparently accelerating up in age, in order to
close that distance -- to annihilate that difference in a merger only
occurring immediately at the locality of the observer -- between younger
historical traveler / clock [observed] and older object reality traveler /
clock [unobserved].

The seen but unreal has to accelerate up in time to catch and become one
with the unseen real...AT ARRIVAL AT THE OBSERVER!

 Now in the microverse, versus the macroverse, neither of them are
"unreal".

GLB

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On Jul 27, 11:46 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh>
wrote:

Well done. You are clueless to the nth degree. You must be so proud.

On Jul 28, 9:48 am, Strich 9 <Strich.9.2d3f...@physicsbanter.com>
wrote:

Welcome to the idiot club, pseudononymous idiot #4003.

One of the traveling twins accelerates. That's why one ages more.

On Jul 28, 1:48 pm, Strich 9 <Strich.9.2d3f...@physicsbanter.com>
wrote:

Too bad the twin scenario (it's not a paradox) has absolutely nothing
to do with the Lorentz transformation at all.  Nor does it have
anything to do with frames.  It has to do with the differing invariant
path lengths of each twin through spacetime, otherwise known as proper
time intervals.

Actually, I already explained it to you.  If you cannot understand
what I just said, that's your dilemma, not mine.  You. like most
usenet trolls, seem to wear your ignorance like a sick badge of
honor.  But it won't work with people who actually know what they are
talking about.

On Jul 28, 12:48 pm, Strich 9 <Strich.9.2d3f...@physicsbanter.com>
wrote:

Sorry, but the application of the Lorentz transformation to the
traveling twin is NOT done correctly if it shows the earth twin aging
slower. Which frame of the traveling twin are you using to do the
Lorentz transform? He occupies at least two.