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Natural Science Forum / Physics / General Physics / July 2008The dual oppsosing brake rotor system in space
We start by hooking up 2 electric motors linked together physically but spinning 2 disc brake rotors in opposite rotation directions but in the same plane. (as if they were two gears spinning) We spin the motors up and because they oppose each other and the motors are linked physically nothing happens when they spin. We place the brake calipers at the point the rotors are the closest and also link them physically. We hit the brakes hard. What happens now? :)  SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman On Jul 27, 5:14 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > We start by hooking up 2 electric motors > linked together physically but spinning 2 disc [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory > Spaceman James, you're a bright guy. What do you think would be the result? OK, if both calipers are closed simultaneously, there is no net result because the opposing angular momentums null out each other. Want a demonstration? Have a close friend hold a 1/2-Hp electirc drill firmly, and you grab hold of the chuck and try to stop it. You'll be twisted into the direction in which the chuck is spinning. Next, have him hold two electric drills, one turning in the reverse direction of the other. Now quickly grab hold of both chucks. You won't be twisted in any direction at all, but you will end up with blisters on your hand. James, have you ever seen what happens to a car when a sudden application of the brakes occurs and one caliper is locked while the other is not? At slow speeds, it results in a call to the body shop. At high speeds, it results in a call to the undertaker. Harry C. > On Jul 27, 5:14 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > other is not? At slow speeds, it results in a call to the body shop. > At high speeds, it results in a call to the undertaker. Harry, I have seen (and fixed) more car problems than I ever want to see again. and.. I know you are bright. So think for a bit. Spin something on a stick like a frisbee or a plate and then grab one side like a caliper actually does. What happens to the frisbee? Does it just "stop" where it was spinning in place or does the inertia want the frisbee to move off the stick and move the center of gravity of the object? It is not the same as grabbing the entire "drill chuck". It is a off center "braking" that causes torque against the center of the spin. SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman :) On Jul 27, 6:18 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > hhc...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Jul 27, 5:14 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > - Show quoted text - James, the example that you proposed involved two counter rotating objects of equal angular momentum. If your brake each one simultaneously there will be no resulting torque. One torque opposes the other. It's a pretty simple concept. What do you think that the net result would be? Harry C. > On Jul 27, 6:18 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > What do you think that the net result would be? Well, actually If I drew it up correctly on my paper here, I see the opposing torques causing motion of the entire system. When i look at one single rotor brake figure I see the rotor will move in a different center of spin when the brake is applied. I think having the two oppose each other will cause a linear motion instead of the circular motion that a single rotor version would cause. Of course, I would need to do physical testing to prove it and I know nobody will even think it would change at all because momentum would still be conserved. :) SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman On Jul 27, 7:15 > Of course, I would need to do physical testing > to prove it and I know nobody will > even think it would change at all because > momentum would still be conserved. > :) Bingo! :-) Harry C. > On Jul 27, 7:15 > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bingo! :-) Ok, So do you agree momentum is conserved in the single rotor example where the disc changes it spin orientation? The single disc, when stopped will change the "spin" point because of the brake caliper stopping the circular motion and causing the momentum to be transfered to a different spin orientation? On Jul 27, 8:11 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > hhc...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Jul 27, 7:15 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > motion and causing the momentum to be transfered > to a different spin orientation? Sure, I agree because momentum is always conserved. When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly rocket science or Einstein's theory of Special Relativity. So, when a braking force is applied to objects of equal momentum, the resulting momentum is transferred to the object or mass performing the braking. Naturally, if the two momentums are equal and opposite in direction, they will each cancel each other and the net momentum transfer will be zero. James, realize that in physics the concept of momentum conservation is very basic, perhaps the most basic thing known in the science. The principle of the conservation of momentum has never been shown to be violated, and likely never will. It is a far more basic or fundamental concept than is the conservation of energy. Shifting gears, if you read the opening paragraphs of Einstein's publication of his Special Theory of Relativity, there a a number of disclaimers that his critics appear to ignore. I believe that these may interest you, and if I locate an on-line reference to that paper, I will post it for you (although you have likely already read it and know what I am posting about.) It has to do with the limitations imposed on Special Relativity. You remember if you try, the notion of an unaccelarated, inertial reference frame in which Special Relativly applies. You have to be very careful here, which many pop science authors are not and take vast liberties with Einstein's theories. Realize that Einstein never completed nor published a General Theory of Relativity, possibly because he had some issue with considerations much like yours. Subject a clock to acceleration, and all bets are off, because Special Relativity no longer applies. James, have to go to sleep now, because early next morning the wife will have me out trying to find what the drip is coming from and what is it, from the new to her 1996 Mercury Sable. James, have you ever seen the factory manual on the Sable, it's close to 9" thick. I think that I have my work cut out for me for some days to come. Damn hood won't even stay open! Right now I'm more focused on a Mercury parts seller than I am on physics. Harry C. > On Jul 27, 8:11 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly rocket > science or Einstein's theory of Special Relativity. So, If I time the brake pulses I should be able to get the disc to move in a direction. One brake to create the off center spin and one brake to throw that off center again at the correct time to create forward (although wavelike) motion and of course momentum will be conserved and produce motion from "motion" just like it should be able to do when thought out correctly. > So, when a braking force is applied to objects of equal momentum, the > resulting momentum is transferred to the object or mass performing the [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > won't even stay open! Right now I'm more focused on a Mercury parts > seller than I am on physics. Park on clean area and place cardboard under front section about where you see the drip come from. And C,mon Harry, You know that working on the drip is as much classical physics as anything else is, so don't ignore the physics of course or you will never fix it correctly. :) I will take a stab and say it will be powersteering fluid. :) PS: Harry, I never needed the books because all the cars basically started to look the same and act the same and there are only so many places you can place each part. After 20+ yrs the parts pretty much scream out where they will be in each type manufacturers models. Good luck and "break a wrench". (sad version of break a leg for a mechanic) :) SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman >> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly rocket [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > from "motion" just like it should be able to do when > thought out correctly. If the brake and rotor form part of a closed system then no, you won't get net motion of the center of mass. Your assmenbly may wobble about its center of mass, or the brake assembly start to rotate about it while the rotor slows, but no overall translational motion of the ensemble can occur. Conservation of momentum. >>> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >>> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly rocket [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > motion of the ensemble can occur. Conservation of > momentum. Do you agree that the single braking will cause the shift of center of spin? SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman >>>> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >>>> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Do you agree that the single braking will cause > the shift of center of spin? No, I don't think it will. The brake mechanism must be anchored to the assembly supporting the rotors (and motors if they were used to spin up the rotors). The braking friction on one brake will cause a torque about the center of mass, so the whole assembly will begin to rotate about the center of mass. If the brake were supported externally that would be a different matter. >>>>> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >>>>> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > about the center of mass, so the whole assembly will > begin to rotate about the center of mass. Greg, The disc spinning was off center of the center of gravity. The brake caused the disc to then spin around the center of gravity. You don't think the "CENTER OF SPIN" will change after the brake is applied? I did not say the center of gravity changes. Think about it will ya. :) >>>>>> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >>>>>> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Think about it will ya. > :) I presume that you're still talking about the two planar rotors? A crude diagram: __ Line through center of mass ^ / | | | | | [======= | =======] ....Brake ! | o | ! +++++++++++++++++++++ ....Frame | | | | v The "o" represents the center of mass. The two horizontal "=======" lines represent the disks seen edge on. The arrowed lines, above and below the two disks, represent the angular momentum of the respective disks. The brakes are attached to the frame holding the assembly together. Assume things start off with the two rotors spinning and the frame motionless. The right hand rotor is spining so that its rightmost edge is coming out of the page, the leftmost going in (if you looked down on the rotor from above it would be spinning clockwise). The left hand rotot is spinning in the opposite direction. When the right hnd side brake is applied, the disk will apply a force against the brake support, and an oppositely directed reaction force will presented at the disk's axle against the frame. The brake arm has more leverage than the disk axle, being further from the center of mass. So the forces don't entirely cancel, but a net residual force will be presented as a torque about the center of mass line. This tourque will make the whole assembly want to turn clockwise (as seen from above), about the center of mass. This sort of mechanism is commonly used in satellites for controlling orientation. They're called reaction wheels. >>>>>>> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >>>>>>> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > I presume that you're still talking about the two planar > rotors? No we had changed to talking about one single rotor case. that is what I was talking about with the "single" brake changing the rotors "spin center". Now. Think about it will ya. Single rotor case with single brake setup, Will the brake cause the rotor to shift it's spin center? (not it's center of gravity) SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman >>>>>>>> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >>>>>>>> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Will the brake cause the rotor to shift it's spin center? > (not it's center of gravity) Supposing that the center of rotational inertia does not coincide with the rotator spin axis, and that the rotator was initially spinning but not the brake and chassis assembly (set up by whatever necessary means), then after the brake is applied the ensemble will take on another rotational motion about the center of rotational inertia. The center of mass will lie along this new spin axis. So your rotator will end up itself rotating around the center of mass. The total angular momentum vector must remain constant, so the rotation will be in the same plane as the rotor, and in the opposite sense. >>>>>>>>> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >>>>>>>>> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > must remain constant, so the rotation will be in the > same plane as the rotor, and in the opposite sense. Ok, So at least I got you to see the single rotor case changing it's spin center. Now all you have to do is think about what happens when a second brake setup on the same rotor is applied at the correct timing. You will get what you could call a "wiggle" walk. anyways. I know you probably won't get it so no worry. Just say ... "The momentum is conserved, no motion occurs" and we don't need all your extra babble. :) SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman >>>>>>>>>> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >>>>>>>>>> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not exactly [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > at the correct timing. > You will get what you could call a "wiggle" walk. No matter where you locate the brakes the result will be to create additional spin around the center of mass along the rotational moment of inertia. So, no, you won't get a wiggle walk (which would require adding linear momentum to the ensemble). You'll just get the thing rotating faster about its center of rotation. > anyways. > I know you probably won't get it so no worry. > Just say ... > "The momentum is conserved, no motion occurs" > and we don't need all your extra babble. Well if you know about the conservation laws, what's your problem? >>>>>>>>>>> When you brake the spinning objet its momentun is of course >>>>>>>>>>> transferred to the mass doing the braking.This is not [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > linear momentum to the ensemble). You'll just get the > thing rotating faster about its center of rotation. The only problem is you can't tell that linear momentum can come from circular momentum if you design it to do such. Nevermind Greg, You will never get it. > The only problem is you can't tell that linear momentum > can come from circular momentum if you design it to > do such. No, linear momentum and rotational momentum are strictly conserved separately. > Nevermind Greg, > You will never get it. Got it years ago, thanks. >> The only problem is you can't tell that linear momentum >> can come from circular momentum if you design it to >> do such. > > No, linear momentum and rotational momentum are > strictly conserved separately. So you are saying rotational momentum can never be converted to linear motion? SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman >>> The only problem is you can't tell that linear momentum >>> can come from circular momentum if you design it to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So you are saying rotational momentum can never be > converted to linear motion? Oh no, you can get linear motion (not the same as linear momentum) from angular momentum. But whatever it is that ends up moving linearly must have the requisite angular momentum with respect to the system. Note that angular momentum does not always imply a rotating object. A projectile passing by a fixed location in a straight line has angular momentum with respect to that fixed location. I'll give you an example where rotational motion can result in a linear motion. Two rubber wheels are pressed together at their treads and rotating. They are rotating with the same angular velocity (but in opposite direction, obviously). A thin rod is introduced between them, pulled through, and fired out the other side in a straight line. What happened? The wheels taken together had the same magnitude of angular momentum but in opposite directions. The net anular momentum of the two is zero. They each contributed the same amount of energy to launching the rod, so afterwards the net angular momentum is still zero. The rod was given linear monentum in one direction, but the wheel pair was kicked backwards in the opposite direction via the reaction forces. Net linear momentum is also still zero. The rod is travelling on a line that is aligned with the center of mass of the wheels, so its angular momentum with respect to the wheels is zero. So the kinetic energy was redistributed, but individually the angular and linear momenta are the same before and after. Note that the wheel pair's linear motion was, in effect, due to expelling the rod's mass in the opposite direction. The center of mass of the wheels and rod taken together still remains fixed. >>>> The only problem is you can't tell that linear momentum >>>> can come from circular momentum if you design it to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Oh no, you can get linear motion (not the same as > linear momentum) from angular momentum. Do you always exchange words for wording you wish to use instead of what was asked? I asked you: Are you saying "rotational momentum" can never be converted to "linear" motion. If you are saying rotational momentum = angular momentum then I do not see why you just don't say. Yes it can. and then think about such instead of the babble about something that is not the same as the experimental thought given. SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman >>>>> The only problem is you can't tell that linear momentum >>>>> can come from circular momentum if you design it to [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > something that is not the same as the experimental thought > given. I endeavor to be precise in order to avoid error or misinterpretation. You cannot exchange linear momentum for angular momentum. You can produce linear motion from rotational motion, but invariably the momenta must be conserved. Rotational momentum is essentially angular momentum, although it implies a rotating object. Angular momentum, strictly speaking, does not necessarily imply a rotating object. On Jul 28, 7:29 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > >> The only problem is you can't tell that linear momentum > >> can come from circular momentum if you design it to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory > Spaceman Your errors are interesting from a psychological viewpoint. Rotation momentum can not be changed into angular momentum. For one thing, they have different units. For another thing, they are completely different physical quantities. However, I think I can construct how you made that error. You claimed to work with cars, and I believe you. However, your work always involved a car which in some way was in contact with the earth. The same goes for wheels and gears you work with. Either it was driving on the road, or supported on a platform. Under those conditions, there is rapid transfer of momentum, both linear and angular, between the earth and the object in consideration (car, wheel, etc.). Psychologically, you think about only the motion that you can see with your unaided eye. You dismiss any measurements and any calculations that use parameters that can't be measured by the unaided eye. The earth doesn't move very far due to its great mass, although it can absorb a lot of momentum. You dismiss the motion of the earth because it can't be seen with the unaided eye. Because you can't see the earth's motion, you don't don't think about the earth motion. Therefore, I propose the following. In your mechanics work, you have observed situations where angular momentum was absorbed by the earth at the very same time that linear momentum was absorbed by the car (or wheel, or gear, or whatever). So you interpreted that as "linear motion being changed to circular motion." When you stipulated, out in space, you removed the contact with the earth. You were implied that the earth is no longer in contact with the gears. Therefore, the earth CAN'T absorb either linear or angular momentum. So your reasoning is wrong. Why you placed the gearbox out in space, outside your immediate experience, I don't know. I hypothesize that there is some cognitive dissonance involved. You know that space is outside your experience with the unaided eye, and you want to make some affirmation on the infallibility of your unaided eye. However, most scientists get training working on system where the earth is partially decoupled from the objects they are studying. Introductory physics includes experiments with air levitated pucks, carts with small greasy wheels, etc. So their experience includes systems where one can see the exchange of momentum with their unaided eyes. So to a formally trained physicist, your reasoning sounds extremely stupid. Your dismissal of other peoples experience IS stupid. The idea that linear motion can be changed into circular motion is probably a good heuristic model, such as under the conditions inside a gear box. For a mechanic, or even a physicist working on a gear box, the model provides a nice shortcut through the details of the motion of the gears. However, the physicist works on problems where the motion of the earth can become important. He may be calibrating a accelerometer, for example. Therefore, he has to keep in mind the limitations of the heuristic model. Your experience probably includes many situations where your "unaided eye" gave an incomplete picture. There is your problem. Scientists work with a lot of instruments that greatly enhance the "unaided eye," not to mention the unaided nose and the unaided skin. Furthermore, there is nothing special about your "unaided eye." You can't make yourself sane by calling everyone else crazy. Maybe I can help your pitiful self esteem by pointing out that heuristic models definitely have their place. They are "real" within the tiny subset of conditions where they are useful. Your problem with self esteem may have started by working with problems much smaller than yourself. Try recognizing that some people work with problems greater than yours. I say this to all the other "arrogant technicians" that may be reading this. Knowing how to solder doesn't mean you know everything. Sorry. > Your errors are interesting from a psychological viewpoint. > Rotation momentum can not be changed into angular momentum. It seems you could never calculate how tennis ball launchers work. Rotational momentum of the wheel will transfer it's rotational momentum into the balls angular momentum until it is released. Maybe you should think a bit at all, some day. :) On Jul 29, 11:32 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > > Your errors are interesting from a psychological viewpoint. > > Rotation momentum can not be changed into angular momentum. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Maybe you should think a bit at all, some day. > :) You should think a bit, today. Tennis ball launchers are attached to the earth. When the wheel starts turning, the earth starts turning in the opposite direction. Newtons first law: for every action force there is an equal and opposite reaction force. However, the speed of rotation of the earth is much less than that of the earth. You can only see the wheel move. Think. If the tennis ball launcher were in space, what would happen when the wheel starts to turn? the launcher would have to rotate in the opposite direction. Only because the launcher has a smaller mass, you would see the launcher turn. This seems so obvious to me that am starting to suspect you are a Loki. A Loki is a type of troll where the troll pretends to take a position he doesn't agree with, in order to make fun of the other person who responds. In any case when the ball launches, the linear momentum of the ball gets transfered to the earth that the launcher is in contact with. A reaction force is set up so the earth receives linear momentum. This is unnoticeable because the earth moves so little. In space, the launcher would be kicked back noticeably. Rotational momentum is a type of angular momentum. Why are you using different phrases for what in this case is the same thing? This horrible misuse of words seems to be evidence that you are serious. A literate Loki would use words more consistently. He would concentrate on a false scientific issue, which you do. However, they would try to make the statement appear reasonable at first glance. > On Jul 29, 11:32 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You should think a bit, today. Tennis ball launchers are > attached to the earth. OMG, are you brain dead? I am not using a "connected to Earth anything. Think about the tennis ball machine floating in space. Do you truly think it can't launch a tennis ball just because it is in space with no "earth to hold it"? Sheesh! >> On Jul 29, 11:32 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >OMG, are you brain dead? Since you are the one demonstrating brain-deadness, we should send you to outer space to try this yourself! >I am not using a "connected to Earth anything. Then it is high time for you to plant your thought process on firm ground for a change! >Think about the tennis ball machine floating in space. >Do you truly think it can't launch a tennis ball just because >it is in space with no "earth to hold it"? You forget: people were talking about "tennis ball cans" as the launcher. Cans are much lighter than tennis balls, so when the lighter fluid ignites (and where did it get the oxygen?), it is the can that will go flying, the ball will barely move. >Sheesh! Stop talking to yourself;) >>> On Jul 29, 11:32 am, "Spaceman" >>> <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > lighter fluid ignites (and where did it get the oxygen?), it is the > can that will go flying, the ball will barely move. Tennis ball cans? Nobody said anything about such. A tennis ball launcher I am talking about uses a wheel spinning to "shoot" the tennis ball. I can see you don't read well and just babble like most here instead of actually thinking about what is actually stated. :) SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman On Jul 27, 7:15 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > hhc...@yahoo.com wrote: > When i look at one single rotor brake figure > I see the rotor will move in a different center > of spin when the brake is applied. > I think having the two oppose each other will > cause a linear motion instead of the circular motion > that a single rotor version would cause. Linear motion in which direction? I can't picture a preferred direction of linear motion in the system that you described. Of course, I don't have a picture. You may be correct. But your description is at least ambiguous. Also note, you are in space. There is no friction with the ground, and no platform applying a contact force. Even when raising a car in a mechanics shop, the motors are in contact with the earth. This is unlike the case of those cars you worked on. I suspect you are used to systems where the earth absorbs part of the linear momentum. So you may not be picturing the motion correctly. This is a conjecture based on some of our previous conversations. The problem sounds more interesting than your usual rants, though. > On Jul 27, 7:15 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > course, I don't have a picture. You may be correct. But your > description is at least ambiguous. ^ ^ ^ O||O ^ Looking from above, the left rotor would be spinning clockwise and the right one counterclockwise The direction of motion when the brakes || lock up would be in the direction of the arrows. SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman >> On Jul 27, 7:15 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The direction of motion when the brakes || lock up would > be in the direction of the arrows. If the brakes are attached to the rotor assembly, then there would be no linear motion produced. The rotational motions would be converted to heat (which would carry away rotational energy). Angular and linear momentum are conserved. >>> On Jul 27, 7:15 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > away rotational energy). Angular and linear momentum > are conserved. So all the mass trying to shift toward the arrows won't do a thing? I think you are wrong. So, whatever. SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman On Jul 28, 7:49 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > > On Jul 27, 7:15 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The direction of motion when the brakes || lock up would > be in the direction of the arrows. There are arrows in disc brakes? > On Jul 28, 7:49 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> be in the direction of the arrows. > There are arrows in disc brakes? You are blind now too huh? The "text" picture is above. the arrows are the ^'s. Sheesh! SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman [snip] >You are blind now too huh? Now that was uncalled for. >The "text" picture is above. >the arrows are the ^'s. And the picture is pretty horrible. But no matter: even if the best picture had been drawn, the braking system still would not work. As others have already pointed out, the OP is relying on his experience with brakes on cars on earth, where the earth can absorb momentum (linear or angular) pretty freely, allowing simple arrangements to work much better than in space. > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (linear or angular) pretty freely, allowing simple arrangements to > work much better than in space. I am not using an earth bound thought about such at all. It is pretty sad that is all that can be said instead of any "real" reason why the motion would not occur. Just the fact that is all you can come up with shows that you are ignoring what would occur in space. 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That was great up to the very last word. Unfortunately, you ruined it all by misspelling "moron." Also: "Pinhead" may be more appropriate. On Jul 27, 5:14 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > We start by hooking up 2 electric motors > linked together physically but spinning 2 disc [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > physically. We hit the brakes hard. > What happens now? reaction wheel http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22reaction+wheel%22&btnG=Google+Search Sue... > :) > > -- > James M Driscoll Jr > Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory > Spaceman > On Jul 27, 5:14 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > reaction wheel http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22reaction+wheel%22&btnG=Google+Search Sorta like such but not the same, Using a brake can enhance the "kick" it will give. and If you use 2 brakes on a single rotor and time the correct braking times you could actually get linear motion (irradic though) impulses out of it also. On Jul 28, 10:18 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > > On Jul 27, 5:14 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the correct braking times you could actually get linear > motion (irradic though) impulses out of it also. Look at pulsing a brake at twice the rotation frequency. << Abstract: Orbital angular momentum exchange, both in cavity free stimulated parametric down conversion and in an optical parametric oscillator, is studied. In both cases, the conditions for parametric amplification are discussed in terms of the orbital angular momentum exchange between the interacting fields. It is shown that in cavity free parametric down conversion, parametric amplification is conditioned to conserve orbital angular momentum. However, for parametric oscillation, cavity and anisotropy effects play a crucial role in the orbital angular momentum exchange between the interacting fields. >> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/tmop/2006/00000053/F0020005/art00006 Sue... > On Jul 28, 10:18 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > role in the orbital angular momentum exchange between > the interacting fields. >> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/tmop/2006/00000053/F0020005/art00006 Sue, You are totally ignoring the experiment given and replacing it with a link that is not the same. I am talking about 2 different brakes in different locations on the rotor setup. It is not the same as "pulsing" one brake. On Jul 28, 11:25 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > > On Jul 28, 10:18 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Sue, > You are totally ignoring the experiment given Yes... nearly. >:) and > replacing it with a link that is not the same. > I am talking about 2 different brakes in different > locations on the rotor setup. > It is not the same as "pulsing" one brake. Study what a child can do by shortening the length of a swing chain at 2f then tell us what flywheel brakes pulsed at 2f can do. Similarly a spinning skater can increase the rate of rotation by swinging arms in and out at 2f. Sue... > On Jul 28, 11:25 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >>>>> reaction wheel http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22reaction+wheel%22&btnG=Google... >>>> Sorta like such but not the same, >>>> Using a brake can enhance the "kick" it will give. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Yes... nearly. >:) Yes completely. Do you always substitute a dead hampster for a live one in the exeriment that shows live hampsters can move? SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman On Jul 28, 2:44 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > >> You are totally ignoring the experiment given > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Do you always substitute a dead hampster for a live one > in the exeriment that shows live hampsters can move? Sometimes it is better not to fret about when the train gets to the station but rather to work out when the station gets to the train. images? conservation angular+momentum wheel http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&q=conservation+%22angular+momentum%22 +wheel&btnG=Search+Images Sue... > -- > James M Driscoll Jr > Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory > Spaceman > On Jul 28, 2:44 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the train gets to the station but rather to > work out when the station gets to the train. If someone says do the experiment with a live hampster, You are supposed to use the live hampster to actually be doing close to the same experiment. I see you still can't do such and now want to add trains that will run over the hampster. :( SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman > On Jul 28, 11:25 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Sue, please shut up. Your childish blather is strating to become annoying. Harry C. On Jul 28, 4:02 pm, "hhc...@yahoo.com" <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Sue, please shut up. Your childish blather is strating to become > annoying. Oh My! Thank you! :-) "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" --Thomas Carruthers Sue... > Harry C. >> On Jul 28, 11:25 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >>>>>> reaction wheel http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22reaction+wheel%22&btnG=Google... >>>>> Sorta like such but not the same, >>>>> Using a brake can enhance the "kick" it will give. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Sue, please shut up. Your childish blather is strating to become > annoying. She is very link happy and loves to kill the hampster to prove it can't run around like the original experiment stated it would It is pretty sad huh? SignatureJames M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman |
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